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Topic: 12 Volt system help needed (first build)Posted: 05 February 2012 at 8:16pm |
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Greetings!
I would like to build some kind of portable system; it has to be able to be transported by a bike. I will mainly play roots reggae and dub(reggae) on it, so it has to be able to bring up some decent bass. What i allready have for this is: - 12V Rechargable li-on battery 9800mAh - LP2020A+ 2x 20 W 4 Ohm 12V amplifier What I was thinking to use more: 2 x 10 inch drivers for bass 2 x 8 inch drivers for midrange 4 or piezohorns for high crossovers (passive/active?) My first idea was to mount two 8 inches with some piezo's in an old suitcase. But i think this won't satisfy me. Another idea is to make it kind of modular, so sometimes i can bring up the 10 inches for xtra bass and for regular use leave that xtra bass at home and easily fix the crossover to let the 8 inches play that bass. Where I really need your help is with the cab for it. I don't know how to design it. Have tried to download winisd, but im on a mac so it doesn't work. Thanks for your help in advance! |
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Posted: 05 February 2012 at 9:26pm |
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A man after my own heart :-) Right - well I'd say you have a good start. If its a "CCTV" Li-ON battery, it won't have the advertised capacity, but will last remarkably well driving a Lepai 2020 - I have direct experience of that. ![]() This thing might be butt-ugly - but it kicks up a whole load better than it looks. 2 x old JBL car speakers - not like the new crappy ones - big heavy magnet. Next stage up in my case is to double up the amp+battery and add a bit of weight to the sound, as in :- ![]() bottom section is 2 x 4R 8" woofers in reflex cab .... This little lot is a right old bodge really, but does the job really quite nicely. I don't have a crossover, when in dual-box mode I just turn down the bass on the top box and up a bit on the bottom one :-) In fact the bottom section drains battery quicker, so I tend to use a 7Ah SLA for that if more than 3-4 hours is reqd. The very cheap and nasty "karaoke mixer" works OK for a bit of mic action :-) .... s/n ratio is atrocious, but I don't care - doesn't spoil the music. Runs the whole day on a low-capacity 12V CCTV battery. |
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Posted: 05 February 2012 at 10:17pm |
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How long do you want to run it for? Do you want it transported by bike or built onto a trailer?
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Posted: 06 February 2012 at 1:31pm |
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i would like it to run say a day or evening. For a little bbq party somewhere in the outsides or just for a day chilling at a beach or something..
So.. portable as transport it by bike.. or more bikes.. but maybe with some customizing to the bike:P Allready got a rack mounted on the handlebars.. i hope you get the idea? Slaz thanks for the idea! Like the oldschool look, but i think that's not what i want. I want to build my own cabs and optimise them. I want to know if it's possible to run this of a single LP2020a+ 2 10 inch 8 ohms 2 8 inch 8 ohms and some piezos.. 4 ? |
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Posted: 06 February 2012 at 2:32pm |
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Well its _possible_ .... either :- 1) Have 1 x 10" + 1 x 8" per amp channel in parallel - but then the same signal is reaching the 10 as the 8 .... it _might_ work out OK .... no harm in trying it. I'd prefer either 2 x 4 ohm matching drivers, or 4 x 8 ohm matching drivers, with the piezos wired in the usual way. 2) If you want to introduce a Xover - you'll need to build it. With a mono electronic Xover at - say - 100Hz ... you could run 2 x 10 parallel of one amp channel for bass and 2 x 8 parallel (+piezos) off the other for mid/top .... But don't forget that most Xover designs will be using opamps - which typically want +15/0/-15 power ..... do-able, but en extra layer of "complication". Not trivial to put together well unless you have a fair degree of experience in building electronics. |
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Posted: 07 February 2012 at 6:05pm |
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Thanks slaz
i've been a student electronics so i do have some experience with it. i want to have it switchable between using the crossover or not, thuss using the 10"s or not. ![]() so it's sure that the 10's have to be in an extra cab.. or is it better to put them in 2 individual cabs and the rest in one? How do i design the cabs for this all? or could someone here help me out with that? Thanks! |
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Posted: 07 February 2012 at 8:29pm |
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What size are you looking for? This might be a viable option. http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/class-d/104402-boominator-another-stab-ultimate-party-machine.html See what other people have done here http://www.facebook.com/theboominator Edited by Saturnus - 07 February 2012 at 8:31pm |
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Posted: 08 February 2012 at 10:13am |
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Thanks Saturnus!
I was allready aware of your boominator! Great project! It has been a great source of information for me. Only thing is that i rather would have the sound only going one side. Is there a way to adjust the boominator like that? Thanks! |
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Posted: 08 February 2012 at 10:21am |
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I don't doubt that its a good design - never heard one - but the weight ... don't think thats a bicycle-transported system - well unless you're talking about using a trailer. |
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Posted: 08 February 2012 at 10:31am |
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To be honest - the overall size/weight of enclosures youd need to mount all 4 drivers (esp. if using reflex) is gonna be a bit too much to move around by bicycle without a trailer. Certainly you could make the 2 x 8" + piezos box bicycle-movable ..... It will also depend on the drivers - do you have T/S params for the drivers ? If so, use WinISD to get an idea of the size of enclosures that would be needed. Myself - I'm looking into alternatives to plywood/mdf for the enclosures .... Of course neo magnets would be nice too ..... but the kind of drivers equipped with neo magnets tend to be high-powered full-on PA ones - which can get quite expensive - as you're paying for that kind of design/charateristics. Not much use building a great-sounding system, then finding its too heavy/awkward to move it to where you wanna use it !! Edited by slaz - 08 February 2012 at 10:36am |
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Posted: 08 February 2012 at 3:23pm |
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I'm not quite sure what you mean. Sound does spread in all directions no matter how you mount the speakers. The Boominator just uses that fact for an advantage instead of a drawback. The most annoying thing about a boombox that isn't bipolar is that the sound coming to the back side is very distorted and frequency limited. I truly believe a bipolar speaker is less annoying to be on the "wrong" side of compared to a monopolar speaker.
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Posted: 08 February 2012 at 3:30pm |
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It might be an advantage in some situations .... definitely not for me. If you want it in the middle of a field at a festival or some such - yes you might want that. I want the sound field to primarily be in front of the speaker box - in the direction the drivers face .... "spillage" in the other direction can be a problem. |
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