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Tocooltom
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Mykey's invader modification... Not sure which driver this is simmed with but it does the job surely?
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levyte357-
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Application is not for pairs in small indoor gigs. Already have cabs for that. As said previously, V18 WSX "can" do 45hz in pairs, so using that as a yard stick. To remove confusion, requirement is for stack of 4x to hit 40hz @ -3db, with response 40-100hz. Seems above plots show Invader won't do this, not forgetting HR sims will be "very" optimistic. Would only be using drivers available in UK, min ref efficiency of 2.2%, with Xmax of (hc-hg/2) + 2 being min 10mm, min BL 28. Edited by levyte357- - 17 August 2012 at 12:50pm |
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Tocooltom
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can you explain exactly what you mean by this (specifically the -3db part)? i am now confused
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Timebomb
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Punishers will play to 45Hz and lower fine in a stack of 4, 4 Punishers is not a lot bigger than 2 x most 18" folded horns, WSX=570L, Invaders=531L, Punishers=285L each so a pair is 570L, They work very well in small venues. 2 x Punishers will have better power handling than pretty much anything that you put in a single 18" bin.
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biotec
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From experience of owning numerous cabinets, including several massive FLH. I would say there are easier boxes to use in small spaces than long FLHs. With boxes like the WSX, you can get massive variations in the performance depending on where in the room the boxes are, what shape the room is, etc. Reflex cabinets are far less tempramental in this environment. This is normally accademic though because nobody in their right mind would choose big FLH bass cabinets for small gigs in small rooms. In large rooms like 600+ capacity clubs, warehouses and sports hall, FLH perform as reliably as any other box. |
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me so horny, me love you long throw.
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mykey-
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k1 is the answer. The only downfall is 1 cabinet will do 33hz and it doesn't use a 18''
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kevinmcdonough
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hey
I've been playing about with a ported horn design for a V18 for a wee bit. Its on the to-do list, but I've been thinking of just sticking the sims and rough first drawing I have up here to let people have a play and test it, pick apart the design and perfect it, make it more of a community build as to be honest don't know if/when i'll get round to it, certainly won't be till next summer at the earliest. It'll do what you want, 100 or so litres smaller than a WSX, designed to fire out the thin end of the cuboid cab so 4 or 6 makes a neat small stack, and should be a pretty simple build its almost a straight horn with just one bend in it. On cab has a bit of a rising response but 4 is pretty flat and 6 (the way I plan to use it) even better. I'll try and draw up what I have over the weekend and stick it in the new projects forum you can see what you think. k |
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dj haydn
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i use 4 of the l36's loaded with void, sometimes in venues that are only 300 capacity and there's no issue of it not being bassy enough, many times on soundcheck the lights fall out and we have to use foam and rubber to stop the decks and mixers falling out the dj booth, however in some venues i also encounter some of the issues many have said before where the bass seems more apparent behind the stack or in the corner of the room, but never an issue of not enough bass, id love to see the sim's of the v18 in this cab to compare against some other designs, i'm sure they aren't the best but as the quote suggests i agree its nonsense that this cab is useless, its worked well for me so far anyway
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jwdrain
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Would you say that WSXs go lower than invaders? For the past couple of months I kinda had it set in my mind that it was invaders Im after but I play D&B so really Im after the deepest sub bass cabinet I can get my hands on (but already I'd ruled out Labs for the expense of maintenence).
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Wrek0ne
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Kevin i would be very interested to see your design and input data as it sound much the same as a recent project i took on, mine is a double 12" ported horn using the 12sb30 as my base driver with certain others seriously out performing but at three times the price, I have managed to make the double cabinate 460L with the external dimensions of 40*120*95cm, only plays to 55Hz but has a wide bandwidth up to 180Hz which is reasonably flat with one box and completely flat from 50-150Hz when its couples in a group of 4 double boxes (my avatar is actually a screen shot of the design). It does shows that with the port as the lower extension you can gain just that little bit more form a design that has a size constraint. I then went on to hornresp a ULF 18" version loaded with the PD1850 (im sure the V18 could hack it), which plays 32-100Hz with the same lay out in mind (with no 3D model as of yet) changing the external dimensions to 60*120*95cm so it comes in at a wopping 680L but does produce the goods (apparently according to hornresp).
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kevinmcdonough
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have a look here for the V18 stuff:
http://forum.speakerplans.com/topic69973_post696190.html#696190 k |
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levyte357-
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To get topic back on track, point of this thread is to discuss modifying 186 horn, to
a) Fit 7ft horn in box 1200H 600W 900D b) 4x pack of these to hit 40hz @ -3db c) 4x pack fairly flat to 120hz d) 18" driver only e) Not interested in ported horns f) Invader not suitable for me at this time Only interested in Fane, PD, Celestion divers, for this one, sick of pricing/supply issues with other manufacturers now. Edited by levyte357- - 11 September 2012 at 1:10am |
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