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MattStolton
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Posted: 27 August 2015 at 6:16pm |
Shaggers has often cited how the Neutral on a 3 phase supply, can end up carrying more than 1 phase of current, due to Harmonics of the load, when theory suggests, that it should never exceed the current from one phase, if you ignore harmonics.
Found a nice article proving point, with real world figures. https://eadepower.wordpress.com/2014/03/26/harmony-rampant-discord-more-like/ Written by the bloke who literally wrote the book on BS7909 (17th Ed, but for temporary power supplies), James Eade. Indeed he is re-writing the book to sort out the BS7909:2011 citing IET PAT regs, pre the 4th Ed PAT 2012, and how 4th Ed PAT does not cover hired equipment..... In summary, 2 off 72 Way dimmers, running off a 3 phase supply. Load is mostly incandescent, and pretty well balanced over the 3 phases. Resolving the three phases, should imply around 14A of load on the neutral, with around 160A load per phase, so not bad balance. Indeed the measured current on N, at 50Hz, is indeed 14A ish. However, measured total N current is shown at 231A, and did peak at over 300A!! Despite the largest current draw on any one phase being 170A!! Just food for thought really, given how nasty cheap chinese SMPSU can generate nasty harmonics.... |
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U.Viktor
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Not ALL switch mode power supplies make nasty harmonics.
Only the BAD switch mode power supplies are current shape destroyers. Unfortunately most of the "cheap ones" are BAD. There are decent switch mode power supplies out, with THD<5% or less yet Power Factor > 0.95. These are not those "cheap chinese" ones :-) |
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odc04r
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Recently I did a SPICE simulation of an RF matching network. With 100W@13.56MHz in and matching a 500pF load to 50Ohm I was seeing instantaneous peaks in time of several kW due to harmonic generation over some components.
Now this is a resonant circuit and I didn't model a lot of parasitics but the instantaneous power generated by harmonics sometimes can be pretty mad. |
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MattStolton
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Sounds like a free energy/perpetual motion type set up!!! I reckon you could snake oil sell those to the tin foil hat brigade, make a fortune. |
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odc04r
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Haha, yeah. It was an unrealistic sim due to lack of parasitics giving very high q resonances and of course these were very short term bursts of power. Another half cycle later power would be near zero. No free energy unfortunately.
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