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    Posted: 15 March 2017 at 6:02pm
Hi all 

We have a discussion going on a Danish Facebook group about what drivers the Funktion One Evo 6 is loaded with. 

A collegue recently had the task of changing a 10" mid driver in a Evo 6 box. When opening up the box the 1.4" driver was a generic off the shelf B&C driver DE820TN. He says that the box has never been opened before and that all drivers are original. I know that F1 uses OEM B&C drivers in the EVO series but the datasheet even says "Funktion One Designed drivers". Are all EVO boxed shipped with openly available B&C drivers or did a F1 guy forget to replace a sticker? Im saying that someone replaced the driver with a similar one but suddenly im not so shure. 

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Of course they use off the shelf drivers. Almost everyone does.

Although this thread might not last long - nor may that guys' dealership unless you're careful with information and location…

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Originally posted by toastyghost toastyghost wrote:

Of course they use off the shelf drivers. Almost everyone does.

Although this thread might not last long - nor may that guys' dealership unless you're careful with information and location…

I know that many do use of the shelf drivers, but normally the sticker is replaced or pealed off. If this is true i see no reason in ever paying 3x the price for the same driver if they even give you the model number and everything. 
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Would you feel comfortable paying 3x the price just because they took the sticker off?!

If they haven't taken it off and you have direct access to cheaper pricing then there's no reason not to use it. Frankly I would prefer if more manufacturers did this, so you can use a local supplier or recone place rather than going via their HQ.
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Originally posted by toastyghost toastyghost wrote:

Would you feel comfortable paying 3x the price just because they took the sticker off?!

If they haven't taken it off and you have direct access to cheaper pricing then there's no reason not to use it. Frankly I would prefer if more manufacturers did this, so you can use a local supplier or recone place rather than going via their HQ.

I think it's great that drivers are easy to get a hold of. I have just never seen a F1 box with out F1 branded drivers and thought that some one ripped it for parts and cheated the owner. 

But it still looks bad that there is now proof for what we already know - a 5k box with 500 quid worth of speakers in it. 


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Originally posted by Hvedstrup Hvedstrup wrote:

Originally posted by toastyghost toastyghost wrote:

Would you feel comfortable paying 3x the price just because they took the sticker off?!

If they haven't taken it off and you have direct access to cheaper pricing then there's no reason not to use it. Frankly I would prefer if more manufacturers did this, so you can use a local supplier or recone place rather than going via their HQ.


I think it's great that drivers are easy to get a hold of. I have just never seen a F1 box with out F1 branded drivers and thought that some one ripped it for parts and cheated the owner. 

But it still looks bad that there is now proof for what we already know - a 5k box with 500 quid worth of speakers in it. 




Ehhhh, yes and no. The cost of developing the moulds for that would have been very high
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Recently sent back an industrial assembly for repair designed to operate in vacuum whilst heating to 900C and a few other features. Total cost of the entire thing is £60k new, weighs about 50kg so not a lot of parts as it is mostly solid metals. Speakers really don't cost that much in the scale of industrial tools. It's all a question of perspective. 

The exact same thing happens in semiconductors though, a lot of the times a tool may use a part available off the shelf from RS or Farnell if you know what you are looking for. In those cases it will often be at least 50% of the tool manufacturer price, and possibly even cheaper? Why, because they have to fund the supply chain and inventory storage of spare parts from the last 2 decades of various designs and multiple revisions of those designs an an as needed basis. It is all part of the business, same as in your typical car dealership the servicing will be a bigger profit center then selling the new vehicles.




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Yeah, and at 5k a box the development pennies would have been recouped in no time.


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Originally posted by nickyburnell nickyburnell wrote:

Yeah, and at 5k a box the development pennies would have been recouped in no time.




Developed many products have you?
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I can just laugh at Funktion One, I think they will go bankrupt one day, I see stacks of res 5 being sold for pennies and also F121. Some guys I know ditched F1 and got some other stuff. I also see more people/event promoters choosing turbosound flash rather than F1.  I honestly think it's only a matter of time that F1 will put them selves out of the market. A few years ago they seemed very popular but now a days not really anymore. The bubble  bursted.
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This may seem like a rant but I see owners of F1 with not a lot of knowledge, they just bought F1 because it's also cool to have a Ferrari for example. The BPH 'subs' sounds like shit and very monotone compared to a true sub like Lab horn or  l'acoustics KS28. It won't be very long before F1 gets ditched. 
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