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tv00
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Posted: 12 April 2015 at 9:46pm |
Hello Friends
I've been playing around with this project for quite a while, here in DK we have quite a few soundbikes made from cargo bikes. I want to help people making better ones by doing one myself & sharing knowledge: Idea: The idea is to make 1-3 standard configurations for the most common bikes, all designs can be re-calculated to fit other bikes. Low-to-ground kick in the middle tops on wind-up Specs: I want to release specifications like the ones for a PA-speaker, this means freq-range & dispertion, most bikes are a mess seen from a PA-perspective. Bass / WEIGHTLESS BASS:) I've been playing around in hornresp speaker wizard and I've managed to load the air underneath & around the bike as a part of the horn, this means massive WEIGHTLESS lowend extension. Parts: Lightweight is essential, we start big first, so we need a lot of power. I want to use Lithium batteries & class d amplification. Problems: Biggest problem at the moment is getting the right supply voltage for the digital modules, a 48V litium boost out 55V when fully charged, that's not good for my modules, for high power I need 90-100V, 110V will make it shot down! I've been looking at 12V car amplifiers, but they must be made for boneheads, specs are PEAK POWER @ 1ohm, LOL! I always thought car owners were stupid, but well I've had a van for 10 years now:) Simulations & drawings: Are to come, if there's anyone interested here? Edited by tv00 - 12 April 2015 at 9:52pm |
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lutkeveld
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Don't know if using the ground as part of the horn yields consistent/good output.
I'm interested in the plans just for fun. Don't know if there are much people that are crazy enough (in a good way) to build such a system ;p Maybe use generators if you need such high power amps.
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amlu
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what modules you got up there?
some class d amps like sure electronics are quite happy on 24-36volts and you can get it easily from lead acid batteries in series... use high efficiency speaker drivers, should be loud enough... |
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mr. doom
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Wood is heavy, Use multiple drivers in Bass reflex sonotube enclosures and you will get more spl per lb. than a horn. You will get the same +3db from ground loading from either design and unless the bins are tightly coupled to the surface the horn loading will be compromised.
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tv00
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Interesting idea using sonotube, I didn't think about that, making it a horn or tapped horn not only uses the air below the wagon, but also all the way around it!
I won't use acid batteries, but Lithium, that's lightweight! For this project we're loading quite massive drivers & need quite some effect for full power, lighter versions on the sketch-board too, but customer wants the biggest! I'll update with pics & sims during the week... |
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studio45
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I think the best power-to-weight ratio currently available is the Sure Electronics TAS5630 boards (4x150/2x300/1x600 watt) powered by one of their 500W boost regulators. You can run the amp at a steady 50v from an input to the boost regulator of 9-24v, so that deals with your battery's changing voltage. And at £40 a board - amp and boost regulator are the same price - you can put quite a few 600 watt channels in your system before cost has become too high.
It might not sound much by the standards of a multi-kilowatt conventional PA, bu given a sensitive driver in a good enclosure, 600 watts can make a LOT of noise. My bike rigs run from the 2x300 boards, one channel for bass, the other for mid-hi, and I can achieve 115dB(A) at 1 metre, which is pretty loud. |
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Sapro2
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Blimey! What power does 300w / side take? How many ah do you run that at?
Edited by Sapro2 - 14 April 2015 at 12:08am |
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tv00
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Interesting, I hope to run them directly of litihum batteries with suitable voltage.
Other option is dc directly into the pfc switchmode:) This module is happy from 50-100V rated power at +/-72 V, looks good: http://www.hypex.nl/docs/UcD2kOEM_datasheet.pdf Horn loading the ground sims really efficient, not only is it possible to load the ait below the bike, but also the air around it gives more low-end extension. Edited by tv00 - 14 April 2015 at 11:02pm |
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tv00
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LOL!
Sorry for not updating this, started getting up at 6 in the morning for some reason, strange things happen when no one tells u what to do. Going to bed now, updates will follow, I did a few sims & found some nice solutions with a little help from other nerds:) |
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I also think using the ground as part of the horn path may not be ideal for a couple of reasons - The ground surface would need to be solid and non-resonant, so many outdoor applications where that extra output is most needed wouldn't be able to use it, and the whole structure of the bike probably wouldn't be well protected from vibration.
Have you considered using alternative materials of construction to achieve the light weight required? There are some interesting projects around using foam core fibreglass construction that cuts cabinet weight by a lot. So long as it doesn't resonate it's fine really and that level of stiffness can be determined easily enough by making a few test panels.
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tv00
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Hi Hemisphere, thanks for your feedback:)
I've testet this ground coupling and it works pretty well, the whole city is asphalt & concrete, some places a lawn, but no resonating wooden floors. I HAVE INDEED considered plastic, one of my friends does some really hard & strong foam plastic, impressive material & no weight! But no time or money for that here:( -Next time! I'll keep you posted, I have some simulations, we have to start cutting the wood now. At the moment I think both sub & kick will be tapped, not typical for kick, but people on here says it works really well, it sims really well too. AND it's MUCH easier to build, now we have limited time. My plan was preferably a straight double 12" kick horn:-) |
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