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    Posted: 20 February 2017 at 3:10pm
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So me and a couple of friends are starting a soundsystem (for techno, hardcore, breakcore, acid, jungle, ragga, ...) and we're able to buy 4 Turbosound Flashlight TFS 780's. I have a couple of questions about them.

1) Is 750 euros each a good deal on these? They have been used by a heavy hardcore-based soundsystem.

2) Are the following amps good enough for them, or will it be wasted money? (I will put 2 speakers parallel on each side):
LMF: the t.amp E-800
HMF:  Behringer KM750
HF: the t.amp S-100 MK II

3) What would be the best way to connect my three NL4 outputs to the EP6 output per side?

I am also thinking about making 6 W-bins to go with them, loaded with a RCF LF18G401, powered by a the t.amp TSA 4000. Is this a good idea?




EDIT:
In order to make the new plan clear;

1) We will build eight 186 horns loaded with RCF LF18G401's that will be powered by a single SAE PQM13.

2) We bought two Turbosound TMS-3's, that will be powered by:
HF: Europower EP1500
HMF: tamp TSA 4-1300
LMF: tamp TSA 4-1300

3) As for processor we bought a Behringer DCX2496 Ultradrive Pro:
- 1 output for the bass
- 1 output for the LMF
- 2 ouputs (stereo) for the HMF
- 2 outputs (stereo) for the HF


Edited by Futendra - 15 May 2017 at 11:28pm
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well for one i can say they are a good cabinet , amp choice seems a bit iffy tho i would say lol id get some matrix xt800 on tops [yeah im just saying that cos thats waht im using] remember they are 16ohm cabs tho] nice cabs tho
If you want people to feel the bass then a reflex design is probably best as you get the most air movement per decibel from those.      errrrr yes wtf?
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Originally posted by Mark James Mark James wrote:

well for one i can say they are a good cabinet , amp choice seems a bit iffy tho i would say lol id get some matrix xt800 on tops [yeah im just saying that cos thats waht im using] remember they are 16ohm cabs tho] nice cabs tho


Yeah, we don't have a lot of budget at all. We have around 7000 euros total.
How do you connect your amps to the EP6 connection?


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where are you and what's the currency you have 7000 of?

flashlight tops are very narrow dispersion, not made to be used as singles, so you'd want to use the 2 each side every time the system is out.

w-bins are pretty old now. not many people making them these days.

read up on patch panels to find out how multiple amps get to speakers.
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Originally posted by cravings cravings wrote:

where are you and what's the currency you have 7000 of?

flashlight tops are very narrow dispersion, not made to be used as singles, so you'd want to use the 2 each side every time the system is out.

w-bins are pretty old now. not many people making them these days.

read up on patch panels to find out how multiple amps get to speakers.


Euros. I didn't know the symbols were bugged.

The plan is to use the 2 each side, or build it up as a wall.

What is a best bang for the buck alternative to the W-bin? I particularly like them because they only use one driver for 2 horns and they are the perfect size to put the Flashlights on, but there might be something better out there I don't know about.
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i have to be honest in my opinion best option for bass [and would work well in your situation as long as 4 in a stack well 2 should be ok just restrict power] is the 186 horn with the challenger 18 driver can get from blue arran if you buy 6+ im sure they will do a deal, i got 8 atm and soon to be 12+ and they do the trick if your carefull on the power in the 186 horn they go down to 40 ish hz  
If you want people to feel the bass then a reflex design is probably best as you get the most air movement per decibel from those.      errrrr yes wtf?
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Originally posted by Mark James Mark James wrote:

i have to be honest in my opinion best option for bass [and would work well in your situation as long as 4 in a stack well 2 should be ok just restrict power] is the 186 horn with the challenger 18 driver can get from blue arran if you buy 6+ im sure they will do a deal, i got 8 atm and soon to be 12+ and they do the trick if your carefull on the power in the 186 horn they go down to 40 ish hz  


With the 186 horn I would need at least 6 on each side, just to be able to stack the Turbosounds on top. That will be really pricey and a lot of work, while W-bins do the trick. I want people standing in front to stand in the bass, with the mids and highs flying over them. I don't want to blow people's ears of with highs and mids...
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Will they go up to meet the flash though? Or will you need a kick bin to start with?

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wodering that myself tbh lol the 186 might just about stretch that high will be dicey though i wouldnt want to do it lol just realised 180 crossover poit prefered lol
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Originally posted by midas midas wrote:

Will they go up to meet the flash though? Or will you need a kick bin to start with?


I have no idea about the W-bin design, but the driver has a frequency response of 30 - 1000Hz, and it can drop down to 40Hz with 4 W-bins.

The Flashlights have a frequency response of 150Hz - 20kHz. So based on that, they must definitely meet. The Flashlights go quite low.


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750 for some likely ragged/abused ones seems a bit much imo
(spare parts are expensive)

i would get some bigger amps to power them, rather look for SH offers on old crest/camco etc. instead of the low budget behringer ones.


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I am not sure a 186 horn will hit 170Hz very nicely...
4x21s and TSW 718 on top would work.

As for phyical wiring, you need a patch panel with NL4 to EP out and then some 6 core 2.5mm to the Flash, given the cost of EP series connectors (and wank shaped holes required for the females) I would SERIOUSLY consider a jump to NL8 before you start, NL8 chassis cons are not expensive and if you don't already have ep6 cabling just so 8 core and send your bass and LM-HM-HF all down one cable!

Most amps have ch A+B on speakon A so a simple 3xNL4 to 2x EP6 will get stereo out the amps, but 4x NL4 to 2xNL8 would be better...

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