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Originally posted by shagnasty shagnasty wrote:

I am not sure a 186 horn will hit 170Hz very nicely...
4x21s and TSW 718 on top would work.

As for phyical wiring, you need a patch panel with NL4 to EP out and then some 6 core 2.5mm to the Flash, given the cost of EP series connectors (and wank shaped holes required for the females) I would SERIOUSLY consider a jump to NL8 before you start, NL8 chassis cons are not expensive and if you don't already have ep6 cabling just so 8 core and send your bass and LM-HM-HF all down one cable!

Most amps have ch A+B on speakon A so a simple 3xNL4 to 2x EP6 will get stereo out the amps, but 4x NL4 to 2xNL8 would be better...

I can draw a quick pic if you are confused..

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I am quite confused indeed. How can I get 4x NL4 from 3 amps? Sounds strange?
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its 8core you need as shaq mentioned..
amps in rack-wired to a 8core (nl8) speakon on a patch panel-8core to your stacks-links between cabs also 8core-makes for a quick and neat wiring at the costs of rel. expensive cable and connectors


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Originally posted by bass*en*mass bass*en*mass wrote:

its 8core you need as shaq mentioned..
amps in rack-wired to a 8core (nl8) speakon on a patch panel-8core to your stacks-links between cabs also 8core-makes for a quick and neat wiring at the costs of rel. expensive cable and connectors

How do I get to NL8 from three NL4 outputs? I'm confused. I never used any other cabling than NL4 before.
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nl8 sockets in patchpanel- solder 4 cables going to the dedicated amps
1+-bass
2+-mid
3+-midhi
4+-hi

for example..
(have a look at patchpanels, you`ll get it quick looking at a pic)
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Originally posted by bass*en*mass bass*en*mass wrote:

nl8 sockets in patchpanel- solder 4 cables going to the dedicated amps
1+-bass
2+-mid
3+-midhi
4+-hi

for example..
(have a look at patchpanels, you`ll get it quick looking at a pic)

So you suggest modding the Turbosounds to have NL8 inputs?

Originally posted by midas midas wrote:

Will they go up to meet the flash though? Or will you need a kick bin to start with?

The W-bin is 40-1000Hz, so it should be fine with the Flashlight (them being 150Hz-20kHz). Or do you think I still need a kick bin with that (don't the Flashlights give enough kick already)?


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Originally posted by Futendra Futendra wrote:


The W-bin is 40-1000Hz

nope, it's not. Wbins have folds that will definitely restrict upper cutoff frequency. There will be no useful output (and sound quality for that matter) anywhere near 1000Hz or even 500 Hz.

I've heard big stacks of ported stage accompany Wbins, and it was unimpressive to say the least. Ports farted and compressed like hell, and output compared to stack size was unfavorable and not as physical as you would want.

Some wild suggestions: 1)18" or 21" PPSL?
     2) cyclops
3) maybe keystone subs (art welter on diyaudio.com)?



 
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Originally posted by bob4 bob4 wrote:

Originally posted by Futendra Futendra wrote:


The W-bin is 40-1000Hz

nope, it's not. Wbins have folds that will definitely restrict upper cutoff frequency. There will be no useful output (and sound quality for that matter) anywhere near 1000Hz or even 500 Hz.

I've heard big stacks of ported stage accompany Wbins, and it was unimpressive to say the least. Ports farted and compressed like hell, and output compared to stack size was unfavorable and not as physical as you would want.

Some wild suggestions: 1)18" or 21" PPSL?
     2) cyclops
3) maybe keystone subs (art welter on diyaudio.com)?



I definitely do not want drivers exposed. We will throw hard parties with them, and I want to avoid them getting damaged because of drinks. I also don't like the idea that I have to make MORE of a different kind of cabinet to get close to the size of the W-bins. They will be an absolute beast with quite a lot of power for the space, without any driver exposed.



I also got what you guys meant with the NL8's. I'd make a patch panel that has 2x three NL4's going in, and 2x an NL8 going out. Then I would make a cable that has NL8 on one end, and EP6 on the other?


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beast and w bins in the same sentence? id like to see this altho i kknow its not doable lol
If you want people to feel the bass then a reflex design is probably best as you get the most air movement per decibel from those.      errrrr yes wtf?
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Well, a budget beast at least. I think it's the only thing doable for 7000 euros of total budget. I can't throw money at twelve 186 horns now.
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I'm not sure this is a good idea.

Flashlight is really a specialised "long throw" (OK, unscientific term, but you know what I mean) cabinet, with narrow dispersion and intended to be used in a multicell-style array. Each box is good for about 20 or 25 degrees of coverage.

With only two per stack, this will not be wide enough for general applications.

What you really need is Floodlight, with twice the coverage per box (and a smoother sound).

@ Sean (shagnasty) - what's your opinion on this?

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Originally posted by madboffin madboffin wrote:

I'm not sure this is a good idea.

Flashlight is really a specialised "long throw" (OK, unscientific term, but you know what I mean) cabinet, with narrow dispersion and intended to be used in a multicell-style array. Each box is good for about 20 or 25 degrees of coverage.

With only two per stack, this will not be wide enough for general applications.

What you really need is Floodlight, with twice the coverage per box (and a smoother sound).

@ Sean (shagnasty) - what's your opinion on this?


Well, it is meant for playing outside to small groups of people usually directly in front of the speakers... I don't need the sound to spread that much. The less spread the better, actually.
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my 8 soon to be 10 186 owe me less than 3000 euros at a push lol think more like 2500 so far :-) [about 150 quid a cab so far lol] probably more like 2000 eauros lol
If you want people to feel the bass then a reflex design is probably best as you get the most air movement per decibel from those.      errrrr yes wtf?
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