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    Posted: 01 August 2010 at 12:13pm

i think we will be staying as far away from piezo's as possible. have had nothing but troube with them for months!
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4*12 low tuned reflex and a 1.4" in a "coax" convex reflex, pricey but crisp as some home made chips.
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i have been having these very thoughts recently 

the question is though, seperate kicks to midtops - keep midtops nice n small, and have nice decent size kicks to get proper low end extension and thus a nice low xover point - i.e. 70-80hz. 

or

all in one midtops with horn 15" - small size - does 90hz 

or 

all in one midtops with the bigger horn 15" crazy big size like the ASS fr3 - does 70-80 no probs, prob even lower




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Originally posted by tweeter box tweeter box wrote:

what alternatives are there instead of piezos?


Just about anything, over the last year or so of hearing things other than roots rigs I'm so frustrated every time i hear that CLANG of a high hat on piezos

as the the original question, I'm still unconvinced by reflex above scoops I know many sounds do it I just like having the ability so make people have a minor coronary with the thump of a kick drum with a steppas track.

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I you've got martin 115's pd 1550 is by far the most promising driver I've looked at for that kind of loading other than a beyma 15g40 iirc (its been a while since i modeled it and i'm somewhat hung over) they model similarly though they are quite different drivers the 1550 will be quite a hard sound but probably seem louder and with only 2 that might be a necessary characteristic the beyma will be smoother and more hifi.


Edited by sKs01 - 31 July 2010 at 4:07pm
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what alternatives are there instead of piezos?
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15" reflex would be best for Reggae and Dubs, sorry.
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Martins need stiff coned drivers.  Normally you be crossing them at 160-200 Hz, possible 220-250hz with eq - but unlikely.  So your mid will have to start there, so maybe 12" mids for you.  2" comp, banks of bullets.  Kill everyone.
re:piezos - ouch, ;)
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15" mids with banks of peizo
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I wasnt aware of this thread! (im the brother)
we now despite the wize suggestions from you guys we were always getting the martin 115's (as it was a pre-aranged deal with a friend) Although HD's would have been nice, and yes the 115's are hugee, thats what weve got. Now the scoops (mr dubs) hopefully will be loaded with pd1850's (im still looking by the way) and the martins with eminence delta 15lfs (bad idea?)
So heres the dilema. what do you guys reccomend for mid/tops?
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Originally posted by Saul Saul wrote:

im just building a new system for a well known system in norfolk - many here are going for 15" reflex kick and they do sound pretty nice! 

iration have 15" reflex kick remember! 



Yup


Edited by levyte357 - 18 June 2010 at 11:02pm
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Good point.
Actually, the StudioSpares one is now £85 inc.   4" coil though... 
Mr Staip, how about a 15" ES BPH?Wink


Edited by The Builder - 18 June 2010 at 12:24am
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Originally posted by The Builder The Builder wrote:

ES18 BPH seem very kind to drivers when used as kick.
Going to waste some £ on a Studiospares £70 driver one day to see if it's the ultimate cheapy combo. £50 wood £70 driver....


Fane Sovereign 18-500's are only £82..... another option perhaps...
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