Calling Russ D

Hmmm bit of a waste... using a good TLA Para EQ... and then a Behringer Graph EQ.

DC wrote: Hmmm bit of a waste... using a good TLA Para EQ... and then a Behringer Graph EQ.

ok, so a few words about the modded pre of cultural warriors... i keep this impartial, and real... cultural warriors had`nt used the modded pre before i turned up, so we were both wondering how it would sound, first off cw have two jts pre`s, the other one unmodded, this is what they`ve been using to date, and what was setup when i arrived in the early evening to sound check, so we had a short tune up and listen so as to compare, then we swapped over to the modded pre.. well, the top end was a little sweeter, it had more gain so that could account for it, the midrange also had a little more gain to it, the top end of the midrange seemed to sound a little clearer too, but, the crossover point between the low mid and bass was totally wrong, as such i felt the low mid was lacking, so although the mid was clean it lacked some punch and to my taste was a little too sharp... the bass, this was not good, no fat bottom end at all, it was completely lacking, everyone agreed, i tried to tune the bass sweep more, add more gain, beef up the bottom end graphic more, and still it sounded no good, no definition, no weight, it sounded weak, and flappy on any sub coming thru.. also, the cutoff point was too high, so a fair ammount of low mid coming into the bass, meaning when you cut mid and tops to run just bass your getting all this mashed up biff baff from snares and low mid instruments which made it sound a mess, it was not good for the use we put these units to... we put the original pre back in the setup and played with that for the nite...

how you spec things, how you graph things technically, what you replace and do, to what might conform to some sort of known range and quality, it dont mean nothing, and in the real world dont always work good... the reason you see these humps and dips on the jts pre`s graph is because his 30+ years of experience of running sound system showed him these things work, its not done by mistake, or thru lack of skill or knowledge, its done thru experimentation and testing, and as i`ve said many a time, sound system and home hifi (or even pa system) are two different things...the modded pre might sound clean and decent plugged into your studio monitors, but sound system we need weight and dynamics in the right places, this modded pre did not give us this, it possibley could do with some modification to cut off points, but in my thinking it would not make a big enough benefit to warrant the work or cost...in the case of cultural warriors one it now needs doing again to be of any use.

sorry joseph, its all good to talk a good talk on a forum, you were very blunt on your thoughts and words about the jts pre, i`m sure your quite capable and knowledgable about electronics and such, but in this instance your modification was`nt up to scratch, certainly not for sound system use, so its back to school for you !

as a side note, i also heard news that the other sound who has a valve modded pre-amp did not sound good at a recent dance, well i say the pre, but maybe it was who controlled it, and as i`ve also said many, many times before, its the man at the controls that works these things to make them sound good, or bad !... so when you have these guys come on and say `the jts pre sounds sh*t`, then people really have to realise that its not always going to be the pre at fault, but the man at the control not knowing what they`re doing...i say this with no disrespect to anyone, but what i mean is that you have to take time to learn this equipment, and hone your operator skills, too many people just jump in, and expect it to all work straight out of the box with no learning involved, sorry but it dont work like that.

hi, chris I rockas let me make some question, how do you link the bellari exciter? I mean before eq, after, before the mixer ? I'm pretty curious.......

Russ D, you just hit the nail on the head, well said.

DC ".....As said, It soundsystem. I never expect high quality from soundsystem....."