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snowflake
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the way I would do this is to get the horn as close as possible to the mid driver to minimise problems in the crossover region. I would also use a 2.5 way crossover and just use the lower 10" from ~250Hz down to compensate for the baffle step response. this way the acoustic centre of the mid is in the middle of the upper cone rather than between the two drivers. you could then stick the logo between the two 10" as they will still couple below 250Hz where they need to.
or get a bigger woofer and do a 3-way crossover. don't really see the point in a TMM arrangement unless you are going to arrange them MTM to get good vertical polar response - but for PA this isn't ideal as better to have the tweeter well above head height.
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Cheif_Stringer_
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@bob4
Hi mate, trust me im listening, been having a think and im leaning towards scrapping the idea and instead having a bigger vertical logo down one of the sides of the boxes rather than on the front / baffle area, wont look as good but the build and performance should be better @toasty Hi, yeah i was hoping they were Faital horns when looking at them before i really liked the way they sounded, before id heard those tops in july i was asking Richard about them at an earlier festival but had it into my head that he said they were 12s for some reason lol, i thought they were amazing when i heard them, the reason i chose 12s was so i could use them with subs only for smaller applications (the subs im building dont go very high) @snowflake, well im using 12s with a 1.4, the subs and kicks im using wont be that tall so i think i may get a benefit from TMM for the reason you said thanks for your time everyone |
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b grade
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Make the prototype without even thinking about the logo, and then make a simple logo work with the speaker you have designed to be lean and as scientific as practical. If you make the box taller to make room for the logo, the whole speaker gets bigger. The logo does not need to be so fancy that it affects the design at all. If you need a sweet wood working project logo, make a separate logo unit with lights and flashy stuff and no incorporated sound. If you choose the brand logo and make the speaker weigh 40 extra pounds and sound worse, you will eventually regret it. Make it lean. Make sacrifices for practical reasons. The look is important, but speaker designers (people who will be your peers in the speaker hobby) like sleek, effective, efficient and reasonably sized. A big logo on the front with a visible cosmetic sacrifice of audio quality is a design black eye, right on the front of your box. You will be explaining it to other designers who are scratching chins and thinking it would have been better without the logo sacrifice. I promise, it will irritate you.
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b grade
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FWIW, I have never designed a speaker and then not had some kind of regret built in. Something I did awkwardly or maybe a slight tweak that could have been better. It kind of haunts you. It is the great disadvantage of DIY vs R&D equipped speaker companies. You don't get to build 30 different variations and test them, so you have to just stick to the guidelines of audio when you can. The educated guess has to become your superpower.
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Cheif_Stringer_
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Yeah the idea was to make them look appealing to party go'ers, im sure there will be different opinions but them being front radiating reflex boxes with round grilles (looking like recognizable 'speakers' to the average person), having a high profile colour scheme etc, my goal was / is to make the average party person wonder what they sound like just by seeing a picture of them (to the uk bass heavy underground dance music scene im into, not folk music fans for example). Ill probably put a logo under the 12s but make it smaller so it looks right, along with making a black grill out of a wood frame and cloth type matieral that can be dry fit to the front at anytime for a low profile config. Again thanks for the advice everyone |
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toastyghost
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Ah, so you're essentially trying to copy the Electrikal style wholesale?
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Steve20131
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Post pics of the build
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Cheif_Stringer_
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@toastyghost
Im into a similar scene to what Electrikal do, and the simple but high profile looks of what i have in mind will defo be inspired by them no doubt, my midtops in general are inspired by them really, although the writing below horn and looks were gonna be quite different but im scrapping that now, but ultimately im just a dude who went to his first festival in June, have been into audio and music for a while, and after it decided im gonna build a system. Electrikal Soundsystem is like a pack of moutain lions whereas im closer to a nats pleb ;) @steve I will when i come to it, not sure how long itll be until the woodwork shop i work at has plenty of space with me not being cheeky using up too much workspace too lol Edited by Cheif_Stringer_ - 06 October 2016 at 10:05pm |
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Keen
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Though, the DIY'er has the advantage of thinking about the design 24/7. Hence the forums I guess.
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Keen
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back on topic; is the HF classed as a LF source at X-over in terms of coupling two mid drivers which are further than 1/4 wavelength apart? And is it the voice coils or any part of the cone surface that needs to be within 1/4 wavelength to avoid cancellations?
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Cheif_Stringer_
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Something else im unsure about is splaying, faital say the lth142 a 60 degree dispersion horn but its also a tractrix, is there anything else i need to consider because of this?
the cabs im going to design will be trap and i cant get my head around what the angles will be from the front to the sides of each cab, so that when the cabs are standing together in a horizontal array with the sides of the cabs touching, they will always be at the correct angle from each other for the best coverage http://www.faitalpro.com/products/files/LTH142/LTH142_hor-beamwidth.jpg |
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"nice one matee"
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ceharden
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The only real way to determine that is by experimentation.
Make some temporary stands for the horns and set them up in an open space so you can walk across the front of them. Adjust the angle so you get the most even sound as you move from on-axis with one horn to the other. It's not scientific but it's probably the easiest way to get a result that will work acceptably in practice. |
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