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davey t
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Posted: 12 March 2008 at 11:31pm |
Urm...
if the have a chamber and a horn on both sides of the driver, is there any way to get them to combine smoothly? I've tried a few models in akabak and i'm getting 108db 1w1m! struggling to get it perfectly flat and low enough. Confusing but possible? |
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jethrocker
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Edited by jethrocker - 13 March 2008 at 12:33am |
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tb_mike
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I first read of it in the dinsdale horn articles. Makes sense in theory.Tricky to use properly.Double your volume for 3dB.
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adambomb
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I think Loonies Tasco Harwell bins are folded horns on both sides of the driver?!?
(I might be wrong tho).
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snowflake
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Dave
what sort of speaker are you trying to get. fullrange speaker with one driver, bass+kick, or small mouthed sub with the ripples smoothed out?
there is something about this in Olson but I think it's quite brief. you can borrow my copy if you want a read. I think you want one long horn with a large chamber and throat and a shorter horn with a faster expansion rate and smaller throat. I guess you have got this far though
Phil
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snowflake
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been thinking about this over lunch and think I have possibly reached one interesting conclusion.
If you make each horn 1/4 wavelength of the lowest frequencies they reproduce so as not to waste volume and make the combined length an odd number of half wavelengths of the crossover frequency (a la Dinsdale) the first time this works is when the short one is 5 times shorter. the next time is 9 times and there aren't (m)any drivers that can go this high before mass roll-off starts.
20-100 from one side and then 100-400 would get good sub and kick from the same box. see what you can do davey!
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davey t
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wow, nice one snowflake. 20minutes on akabak tought me the same thing. The winning formula i found was having one long horn - say 2.2m. then annother shorter horn from the rear of the driver - say 70cm.
I guess that at the low end below the short horns cutoff, it is not supporting wave modes and is acting as an attenuator so the driver "sees" a high impedance or closed box essentially? Further up the short horn combines with the long one to smooth out the ripples you would normally get due to a small horn mouth and extends the frequency response past the long horns high cutoff? Anyways, i played about with the expansions, front volumes, lengths etc and you can eventually get a nice smooth response all the way from 40-200hz! i bet you could do better too giving it a bit more thought. efficiency goes from 104db to a whopping 110db at the higher end. SO your gaining increased bandwidth, flatter response and efficiency at the expense of a much bigger complicated cab and less low end (for a normal horn in the same size enclosure). Is it worth it? Surely someone has done this before - please post links guys cos i'd love to read up on it. |
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MarjanM
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Only thing that wries me is that it would be too big and heavy.
Maybe if you made it modular. The lower one made with open driver chamber (like bassmax zero) and just put the other box on top of it). |
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Marjan Milosevic
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JaKe
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What I have found with the boxes I built in which the rear chamber ports into the throat of a relatively short horn is that the horn starts to act as an extension to the port. This is the conclusion I have come to as the hole in the rear chamber should tune it in the 70Hz region but is actually tuning it to 30Hz according to impedance and acoustic measurements.
Keep us updated on how this is going. JaKe |
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davey t
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http://www.volvotreter.de/downloads/Dinsdale_Horns_1.pdf
page 5 He recommends using a large throat chamber to provide and high f rolloff on the large horn allowing a shorted horn to effectively load the other side. He also says that it is IDEAL to load both sides of the driver. A sealed rear chamber has a simmilar effect. Edited by davey t - 13 March 2008 at 2:34pm |
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JaKe
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Loading a helmholtz resonator with a horn above the horn 1/4 wavelength may destroy the helmholtz effect because of the resistance of the horn damping the resonance. JaKe |
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biotec
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old tasco harwell bass bins, I'll try to dig up more details later.
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