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    Posted: 29 January 2009 at 3:15pm
correct me if im wrong but as far as i am aware the cut off frequency of a horn is a quarter of a wavelength of the lowest frequency that the horn can play.
 
so what does the mouth size have to do with it?
 
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I think the mouth area has more to do with impedance matching with the air.
That's my 2p anyway.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote doober Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 January 2009 at 4:18pm
A good rule of thumb for mouth size is, assuming a round horn, the circumference needs to equal the wavelength of the lowest frequency, if used in full space. The area can be halved for half space use, halved again for quarter space and so on.

If the mouth is too small there will be a reduction in level at the lower end, and peaks and dips above cut off.

For a more detailed explaination look at Keele's paper

If you are using an exponential horn you will also have a flare rate, or flare frequency (called F12 in hornresp) which is linked to the ratio of throat to mouth. This also determines how low a horn will play.

There's a lot more to it than that, look at some of the horn design links on the main speakerplans site.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote doober Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 January 2009 at 4:22pm
Originally posted by speaker monkey speaker monkey wrote:

I think the mouth area has more to do with impedance matching with the air.That's my 2p anyway.


A horns main purpose is to match the impedance with the air. It can be thought of as an acoustic gearbox.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bassaddict Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 January 2009 at 4:52pm
cheers for the link. have actually been flicking through some of his AES papers today.
 
only one of the the links for the horn pages is working the rest are saying 'PAGE NOT FOUND'
 
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thanks again doober, some cracking links there
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If the walls of a horn are parallel, a tube, it will resonate at frequencies where the length of the tube is an odd integer multiple of ΒΌ wavelength.

If you start to taper the walls outwards the fundamental resonant frequency rises and the resonant peaks become attenuated and broader while the dips in response start to fill in. The increased damping initially affects the higher harmonics but as the mouth area increases the lower harmonics become increasingly damped too.

If the mouth area is sufficiently large the horn will be non-resonant. Most bass horns are not ideal and exhibit the resonant, if damped, characteristics of a quarter wavelength pipe.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote S DeXter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 February 2009 at 9:07pm
So then what effect does wadding / foam on walls have on horn behaviour? I assume it probably has no useful effect as its never used...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Deadbeat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 February 2009 at 9:15pm
Wadding and foam are pretty useless at LF...apart from helping marginally with standing waves in the front/rear chamber.

At HF, it's a different story.
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There's a formula which calculates the cutoff frequency of a exp horn. It uses

1) horn length
2) mouth area
3) throat area
4) horn exp coeff (eg 1 = hyp exp)

I cant remember it offhand. but basically if you make the mouth/ throat ratio smaller you get a lower cutoff for a given horn length at the expense of a more peaky response and less gain. simple.
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Baranecks horn equations:

m = (2pi * fc) / c

and

S = St * e^(mx)

Where
m = Horn Constant/Coefficient
fc = Cut-off freq
c = speed of sound in air (normally 343m/s)
S = Mouth Area
St = Throat Area
x = length of horn

I have also seen the first equation using "4pi" instead of "2pi", this was in the Klipsh horn, possibly using 4pi because it is a W bin therefore a double horn. But I am really not sure about that and never did figure it out properly. Would be nice if someone would clear that up for me (not that I mean to hijack a thread)

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