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bass*en*mass 
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 Posted: 24 April 2012 at 4:15pm |
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again, depends what youre after..
if theres a few sounds around you using v18 loaded ones i would say thats the way to go, if you dont want to link up with them but get a different beast go for 51s. Amp in both cases should be up for the job... |
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levyte357
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Posted: 24 April 2012 at 4:16pm |
All look nice and impressive in the glossy PDF, but when you analyse "the important facts & figures", different story.  Qes - Higher than PD1850, Already indicates lower efficiency Qts - " " " , Will not work well in many "tight" throat scoops Vas - Very low, will not move as much air in sub range as PD1850 BL - Lower than 1850, so less control Ref Efficiency (No) - 1.9255, much less than PD1850(2.88), more power req to match PD O/P Rear baffle cutout - 422mm - Will not fit PD cutout, Total depth - 237.5mm - Deeper than PD1850, will not fit many cabs designed for PD. This driver maybe great for dance/pop music, but is so obvious this driver is not superior to PD1850 in suitable scoops. Even V18-1000 is superior to this, and that only costs £220 in UK.  Above if is typical for many of the hugely expensive, so called "Neo PD1850 killers", that just don't meet the hype. Edited by levyte357 - 24 April 2012 at 4:30pm |
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MarjanM
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Posted: 24 April 2012 at 4:23pm |
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You need to have one of these so you can see and hear with your own eyes.
Again i wonder, if it is such a superior driver and as you say much cheaper, why it is not used anywhere in the major manufacturers boxes? Are they all stupid, or just not as greedy as they seems to be. And we are comparing 1851 here because people says sounds better in hogs. Now compare 1851 not 1850 with that data you posted on 18NLW9600. You will find is extremely close. With 18Sound being a lot better :-) Edited by MarjanM - 24 April 2012 at 4:30pm |
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Posted: 24 April 2012 at 4:32pm |
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I just did some sums and realised that with the amount we have in the bank, I could get 2 v-18's and a proline 3000. A combination I've been aiming for. Would mean I can power half my current rig off the bat.
Would the Proline take 2 v-18's off one channel? I know it's slightly under-powered, is this a huge no-no, or would it suffice as a temporary solution until I can afford another amp for my kicks? (two 186 W bins)
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MarjanM
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Posted: 24 April 2012 at 4:35pm |
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Should be just fine.
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PauliePaul
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Posted: 24 April 2012 at 5:04pm |
Without going on, Tony A.S.S. and I did some tests between the PD.1851 and the 18SW115 around 18 months back. Really and truly there was nothing in it regarding performance apart from the overall tone of the drivers (the PD sounded 'deeper' and from memory was 6 or 8 dB up on the B&C at 44Hz), they outplayed each other at different frequences, but as whole they were basically on par. The two factors that could influence making a choice between the the two drivers would be price (PD wins) and weight (B&C wins). Desirability could also come into it... 10 year old PD.2150's still command strong money, where as I can't get any interest in a near new B&C 21SW150 I have sat here!! |
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MarjanM
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Posted: 24 April 2012 at 5:13pm |
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6 or 8db up at 44Hz is a huge difference. But again if the box was optimized for the PD then if should be about right result.
And then again i see no apparent reason why the difference will be that big.
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Posted: 24 April 2012 at 5:19pm |
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It was/is Tony's RX18 Jnr... optimised for the B&C I believe.
Just to re-iterate, they out performed each at various other frequencies by 2 or 3 dB, but the 44Hz one is the one that really springs to mind due to the shear difference in performance at that frequency.
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levyte357
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Posted: 24 April 2012 at 5:23pm |
Not saying PD1850 is the superior of all 18s, it's is just superior at what it does, in chosen applications. The dance/pop boxes produced by many "major manufacturers", don't need the nuances of the PD1850, no nonsense folded horns like Quake MS18 would. |
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Posted: 24 April 2012 at 5:25pm |
As i am aware the RX18 Jnr is optimized for 18TBX100 which is far from 18SW115. So there you go.
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Posted: 24 April 2012 at 5:28pm |
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BTW here the PD1850 is about 150 eur more then 18sound 18NLW9600.
Now go figure.
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Posted: 24 April 2012 at 5:29pm |
Vas & Ref efficiency.. This is why PD will move more air at deeper notes, with higher SPL. parameters reveal all.. Also why I wouldn't need to hear/see the 18 sound driver, if driver is lacking in those two areas compared to the 1850, result is always the same. This is why many people used to buy new ASS scoops with B&C Neos, and then sell the drivers and get PDs. |
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