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I've heard that cab before and the 1" can keep up with the 15"s. There's plenty of dual 15 cabs out there with 1" drivers, including the much loved JRX125s.

I would say have a close look at the crossovers and make sure no ones does a bodged repair and changed the output of the HF.
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Bulbs in crossovers.. Is this the 90's?

1. Get builder to make you copies of cab but for ME60 2" horns.

2. Get some Beyma 2" Comps, horns.

3. Bi amp cab using separate amps & LMS, no passive xovers.

4. Leave mediocrity behind.


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"4. Leave mediocrity behind."

LOL Clap LOL

As I said before - you´re expecting too much from that 1" comp driver. Replace or add some more top-end boxes.


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Originally posted by SamV SamV wrote:

I've heard that cab before and the 1" can keep up with the 15"s. There's plenty of dual 15 cabs out there with 1" drivers, including the much loved JRX125s.


In many circumstances, yes, the 1" will keep up with the 15s.

BUT,  in this instance there are subs added, so the dual 15s arent running full range. I would imagine a 1" comp would keep up in this cab if used full range.

I can see a 50W comp wouldnt always be able to keep up.

For compressed audio off a CD, probably yes.

For live music with a much higher dynamics, probably no.

If as has been  mentioned, the engineer is finding a need to boost the top end, there is probably just a little too much power going up there, not a lot, but enough for the lamps to pop occasionally, and ultimately kill the diaphragms.

Ive known diaphragms to die from an idiot shouting into a microphone on what is otherwise a completely acceptable PA sytem.


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Andy you say we may not have enough headroom do you mean the speakers or the amp? The speakers are 700w RMS and amp sends out 760w per channel
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Amp ideally should be around 1.5 rms rating of driver for headroom
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Originally posted by Mystery.tipster Mystery.tipster wrote:

Andy you say we may not have enough headroom do you mean the speakers or the amp? The speakers are 700w RMS and amp sends out 760w per channel

Both.

The amp should be bigger than the speakers, (different people have different ideas on this, but 1.5 x is not a bad starting point) but also the speakers need to be able to handle the dynamics in the program material.

Adding subs to the system will bias the power handling towards the low end quite significantly, from your description you have ample there.

My guess is your comp drivers are only just able to keep up with the rest of the system (hence the crossover bulbs popping) - so not much headroom here.

Also, your amp could easily drive to clip, so no headroom there.

Without seeing exactly what you do and how you do it, it's impossible to be sure whats going on, but does to me seem mostly like you dont quite have enough.

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Hmmm this makes me think, if we are using the crossover to send above 150hz to the full range DAS 215's which has 2 x 15 bass loud speakers with the 1" horn are we in fact sending too much highs by doing this as you said? Are we better off not using the crossover and/or not using the separate 18"DAS bass bins as well so just running the Peavey CS2000 set to default straight into the DAS 215 with a full range signal?
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Originally posted by Mystery.tipster Mystery.tipster wrote:

Hmmm this makes me think, if we are using the crossover to send above 150hz to the full range DAS 215's which has 2 x 15 bass loud speakers with the 1" horn are we in fact sending too much highs by doing this as you said?

No...

you're just shifting the balance of power a little to make your system bottom heavy

then your HF cant keep up.
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Bottom line is that on a system with bass bins and twin 15" midrange, a 1" compression driver, especially not what is likely to be a cheap one, will not keep up and definitely not with live music.

A 1" driver with a single 15" is a massive compromise, with a twin 15" it really doesn't work except for what I'd call 'low end mobile disco'!

So unfortunately the only real solution is to beef up the HF.

I've taken the liberty of downloading the CAD drawings from the DAS website which rather helpfully give accurate dimensions so I can tell you that you'd be able to replace the HF horn with a wide variety of 1.4" exit versions.

These aren't the cheapest option but most likely to drop in without any woodwork:

Add a pair of these which Andy is currently doing for silly money:
Or choose something slightly more expensive if you prefer!

The current crossover might not be ideal for the new compression driver and horn combo but that could be rectified too if necessary.

There are various options anyway.


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Originally posted by SamV SamV wrote:

I've heard that cab before and the 1" can keep up with the 15"s. There's plenty of dual 15 cabs out there with 1" drivers, including the much loved JRX125s.

I would say have a close look at the crossovers and make sure no ones does a bodged repair and changed the output of the HF.

Everybody I've seen mention those cabs or the 115's has blown the HF and replaced it with something else, usually a BMS!
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Originally posted by ceharden ceharden wrote:

Add a pair of these which Andy is currently doing for silly money:


Umm, nobody will be adding these from Andy, for a while, as I've just snapped up the last 2x...


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