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mellotone
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Posted: 09 February 2017 at 4:01am |
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yeah will do Stache, am still working through my requirements but that 5 mo. timeframe at least provides some reference. thx!
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stache
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Hi Mellotone,
No worries about the off-topic. I can't really tell you to be honest, your best bet would be to contact them directly. I was given 5 months for delivery but it seems that it will be more than that. |
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mellotone
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My apologies for going off-topic from your original post Stache, but quick question on your pre-amp build with RDH. Curious what the estimated "turn-around" time currently is that one could expect on a custom pre build from RDH???
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bob4
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muito obrigado!! :)
(random use of portuguese without a specific reason )
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stache
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Very nice Bob.
Your "long" answer was much appreciated and does make a lot of sense. Meanwhile I've done more research and what I came up with seems to be in line with your recommendations. Thanks also for pointing at app's thread it is very helpful. Sir, thanks for your time!
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bob4
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Hi Stache,
I re-read your post and answer to my questions, here are some thoughts:
good old proverb: first learn to walk before you run a lot to learn: - woodworking - connectors and cables - active VS passive crossover - stereo vs mono - loudspeaker tuning - system tuning - gain structure ….. ….. …...
Your requirements are unfortunately not very precise. No problem really, you just need a little bit of experience doing it, then you will begin to know what you like, or need or want in the end. I noticed the part about the rdh preamp, and that you repeatedly talk about a stack. So you clearly want to go in the reggae/dub sound system style. I respect these choices. But although I understand that ultimately you want a traditional "sound system stack" look, I would still recommend a pair of good and powerful top cabs (12" + HF) plus 15" subwoofer(s) as a starting point. why? - "mini stack" with a lot of separate boxes has to be always stacked everything over each other, you don't have other options. This means either that the stack is going to be not tall enough (to keep transport easy), or it will become big (and not easy to transport) arguments for a pair conventional 2-way passive PA tops: - easy to transport - easy to connect - you can put them on stands - you can use it as mono if you like - you can play it with your mono preamp by using the full range out - you can put the tops next to each other "sound system style" and splay apart for a wide coverage from one point - or you can put them in two corners of a room etc -> more flexible to set up; you can cover a bigger area; - you can rent it out like a normal PA system, or in general do more "PA" type events if you want to - you can use the tops as monitor or delay line or whatever if you proceed to build a bigger system - it's easy to sell the tops later if you decide you need something completely different DIY VS factory made new/second hand - start by building subs, they are easier - buy ready-made tops - if you absolutely want to build the tops yourself, I recommend you build from a proven DIY kit with ready-made passive crossovers mono VS stereo - 2 channel stereo has some problems in big PA application, but it is still the way that most music is produced - if you play back mono, you WILL loose some of the original signal - in the end both are fine and work, but they both bring compromise of some sort - it's good to hear and know the difference yourself, then you can make a confident choice - try to play some events stereo, some mono, listen to your favorite tunes, and what happens to them in both cases…. sorry for the long post, I hope it helps more than it confuses :D as a dessert: Here are two threads in which you can follow forum member "app"s process to build his own small sound system called "dub disco loFi": http://forum.speakerplans.com/cheap-driver-box-combination-to-get-low-and-loud_topic89375_page19.html http://forum.speakerplans.com/fane-12250tc-full-rangers_topic89634_page1.html |
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stache
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> Absolutely none whatsoever.
> Well, a mono stack just seems to be the easiest to start with as we need to start somewhere. If there is a need to get something bigger we will consider expanding, but I would say for our needs at the beginning it is enough.
> noted and will be taken into consideration. The idea was to start with a small four-way to get experience and understand the ins and out of the setup at a low-ish cost.
> Yes we want to keep the stack manageable mainly because we don't have storage place and/or vans to move it around.
> Would you be able advice on the type of drivers/box design for your suggestion that would fit our requirements?
Thanks for taking the time to answer much appreciated. Edited by stache - 17 January 2017 at 11:54am |
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bob4
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Hi Stache,
just some short comments/recommendations: - how much practical experience do you have with PA/sound reinforcement/sound system in general? - do you insist on doing a mono stack? - for a system of this size, don't do four way, it's unnecessarily complex and expensive - modular with separate boxes makes only sense at a bigger scale (you want to keep it manageable, right?) - I suggest a more "normal"/"PA" setup with sub (one double or two singles) + 2 x good quality, small/medium size top speakers (diy or new/2nd hand manufactured) - keep it simple first, you can always get deeper into system design at a later time - cross your 15" subs between 80 - 150 hz, depending on the tops… |
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stache
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Anyone ?
I know there are very knowledgeable people on here and I would really appreciate if someone could help us and go over my initial questions in the first post. Peace
Edited by stache - 11 January 2017 at 9:15am |
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stache
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Thanks man. Yes that driver is probably best suited for use as a kick, which is the intended use of the original design. That being said the driver specs would allow us to use it as a sub/kick to start with. We are aware of the limitation though. Glad to hear the amps would be suitable as well, I started doubting my understanding of the headroom :) Thanks again for taking the time to reply. Anyone else with some inputs regarding the configuration? Cheers
Edited by stache - 09 January 2017 at 2:59pm |
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colinmono
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I hadn't actually read the specs of the 15" drivers (RCF L15P530) when I posted - sorry. Now that I have, I can see that you would have enough headroom to drive that model with the T.AMP. The reason I thought you wouldn't is that I assumed you'd be using a more sub orientated 15" design with higher power handling. I don't have any experience with that particular driver so I don't know whether you will be satisfied with the bass performance. From the spec sheets it looks to be designed to suit mid bass applications more than as a pure bass driver. Might be a good choice if you plan to add dedicated subs in the future.
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stache
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Bump.
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