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Futendra
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We are with 5 men, so it should not be a problem lifting them etc.
I just think it is risky to put such a high stack up. Isn't there a risk of it falling over? A lot of people will be touching and hanging in and on the soundsystem when you play hard genres. |
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Futendra
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Alright, so the two TMS-3's are finally arriving soon. We're currently trying to find out what the best budget amp options are.
One of our guys has a Behringer Europower EP1500. We're going to buy stereo amps so we can set up in stereo using 2 stacks. This is our speaker calculation: 2" HF Driver (TMS-3): RMS: 75W Impedance: 16 Ohm Calculated ideal amp power: 16 Ohm 120W / 8 Ohm 240W 2x 10" MF Driver (TMS-3) (Calculated together in the manual): RMS: 200W Impedance: 8 Ohm Calculated ideal amp power: 8 Ohm 320W 2x 15" LF Driver (TMS-3) (Calculated together in the manual): RMS: 500W Impedance: 4 Ohm Calculated ideal amp power: 4 Ohm 800W 8x RCF LF18G401 (186 Horn): RMS: 900W Impedance: 8 Ohm Calculated ideal amp power: 8 Ohm 1440W / 4 Ohm 2880W So, what we need is: 2x 16 Ohm 120W / 8 Ohm 240W 2x 8 Ohm 320W 2x 4 Ohm 800W 8x 8 Ohm 1440W or 4x 4 Ohm 2880W The Europower EP1500 is 2x 8 Ohm 280W or 2x 4 Ohm 450W This means we can use it for either the HF driver or the MF driver. We decided it would be best to use it for the HF driver. Because we kept in mind that we would buy two more TMS-3's we looked at another 4 output amp for the MF drivers. We looked at the TSA 4-300. It has 4× 8 Ohm 350W, which would be ideal to power four pairs of MF drivers, but it is a bit more expensive than the other option we have to power just two, the the t.amp E-800. It would be able to power two MF drivers with 2x 8 Ohm 350W. (The TSA 4-300 is almost exactly double the price of the t.amp E-800). Then we took a look at the Behringer iNuke NU4-6000, because we are planning on buying two more TMS-3's in the future, and it would be able to power four pairs of LF drivers. It's 4x 4 Ohm 860W. Now comes the big power. Our 186 horns. We will be building eight, so we need quite some power. We were looking into another thomann amp for this, but it might not have quite enough power... We were looking into the t.amp TSA 4-1300. It can handle 4x 8 Ohm 1220W, meaning we would buy two to power our eight 186 horns. It's 220W short of our calculated "optimal wattage", but I don't know of any other budget options. The 186 horns will always be mono, so any mono recommendation is welcome. Conclusion / TLDR: To power everything we would use these: 2" HF Driver (TMS-3): Calculated ideal amp power: 16 Ohm 120W / 8 Ohm 240W Amp: Europower EP1500: 2x 8 Ohm 280W 2x 10" MF Driver (TMS-3) (Calculated together in the manual): Calculated ideal amp power: 8 Ohm 320W Amp: 1x TSA 4-300: 4× 8 Ohm 350W / 1x t.amp E-800: 2x 8 Ohm 350W 2x 15" LF Driver (TMS-3) (Calculated together in the manual): Calculated ideal amp power: 4 Ohm 800W Amp: 1x Behringer iNuke NU4-6000: 4x 4 Ohm 860W (keeping in mind future expansions) 8x RCF LF18G401 (186 Horn): Calculated ideal amp power: 8 Ohm 1440W / 4 Ohm 2880W Amp: 2x TSA 4-1300: 4x 8 Ohm 1220W Any feedback on this? We're trying to stay as low budget as possible, as we wont have a budget but do benefit parties with other soundsystem to gather the money. Edited by Futendra - 26 April 2017 at 2:53pm |
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Darkstar
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Regarding the hangin I'd make some cheap splay boards to then winch in all together if I were you.
It would be safer and you'd be able to splay them as shag said. Having a box fall over would mean A) best case scenario: repairs, or B) someone who will not be very happy to have his foot broken. Edited by Darkstar - 26 April 2017 at 3:47pm |
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Bass =/= Enough
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Futendra
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Yeah, have been thinking about that. We'll definately look into it! |
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shagnasty
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A TSA4-300 will not work too well here.
I run a TSA4-1300 on my TMS 10"s, in fact I run a TSA 4-1300 on 10s and 1s with it pulled back 3dB on the LMS for the 1", I use a SAE PQM 13 for 18s (I have TMS-4s not 3s, but they use the same gain structure in the amp racks) with 0db to the tms LF and -6dB to my subs. The Ep1500 will be fine for the 1", so you could use a TSA-4-1300 for 10+15", back int he day we ran SR 707s for 10s+15s and a FA-901 for tops. |
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Futendra
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Wont using a TSA 4-1300 be a risk to blow both the 10"and 15" up? It gives way more wattage than they can handle. I would like to play somewhat safe with the amplifiers, meaning it would be damn near impossible to give too much power. Edited by Futendra - 26 April 2017 at 8:40pm |
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shagnasty
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Wattage is something that in real terms doesn't exist, the amount of crap on hear about pricks setting limiters makes me roll around laughing.
your ears control your rig, if it is an install then the Soundweb controls it. Think SR 707, 1200W into 2r flat out all night into those 10s, never blew a driver, same on the 15s. Some pony tailed bloke from Sussex once told me to feed drivers well and they will only eat what they need, whilst bridging a K10 into your 1" may prove that wrong, under-fed drivers sound crap. Turbosound was born from transient power, speed and precision, not like the slurpy, smudged line-array junk that barks away at gigs today. to put it in perspective, I used a rack of 4-300s for an install at a climbing wall!!!! If a PQM-13 can't take out TMS-4 18s I am not seeing (unless someone is a TOTAL MORON) it will take out pairs of TMS-3 15s The last racks i was using with TMS-3 were PL9.0, PL 4.0, PL 4.0, PL 1.8, never blew a thing, also NEVER set a limiter..... a T 4-300 will kill your driver quicker than a 4-1300 IMHO (oh, a 100s of gigs of experience) for the few more Euros, get the better amp! |
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Futendra
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Aight thanks, if we can power both the 10" and 15" with it, it will probably be cheaper. |
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shagnasty
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I'd leave it WELL clear of your subs, but they rock 80Hz up, never tried them low, but i don't need to, I have the SAE, and they look like Lab Grup to me, so that octave just won't be there.. Cool thing with Thomman, the no quibble, if you don't like return terms, you can buy it, try it and if you litterally don't Like it you can return it. The 4-1300 would probe rock the HD15s as well if that gain stage suites you...
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Futendra
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Alright! Thanks for the info.
Any budget recommendations for the 186 horns? |
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shagnasty
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PQM-13, 3 x 8R drivers per channel!!!
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Futendra
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I need to power 8 total though... anything cheaper that can power 4x 1440 / 8 Ohm or 2x 2880 / 4 Ohm of which we can buy 2? |
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