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nickyburnell
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Posted: 20 May 2017 at 5:12pm |
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Bloody marvelous explanation |
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snowflake
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2.5 way crossover usually seems to be implemented by having the woofers in parallel and putting an inductor in series with one of the woofers so it has a LPF at the baffle step frequency. bass is increased by 3dB giving a flat response through the baffle step region.
alternatively you could wire the woofers in series and put a capacitor across one of them to implement the LPF. the response woudn't be flat but you would have the extra power and excursion capacity to get flat response with eq. would lose 3dB of headroom on the amp but the higher impedance load at bass frequencies would help. the hf crossover is between the tweeter and the top woofer, rather than all three drivers. the midrange is covered by one driver rather than two, and at bass frequencies the two woofers are close enough that they act as a single source anyway. Edited by snowflake - 20 May 2017 at 5:04pm |
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gen0me
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Its midbass with high excursion displacement isnt important.
No. You can remove it. If you use midbasses with higher qts the response will be smoother(wont have this valley and mountain at bottom). You can make smoother response with this driver making smaller rear chamber, but smaller rear chamber will give higher vent resonances(winisd dont show them). Eitherway building relativly big enclose is way to do mid basses as it can be cut above group delay mountain of vent.
http://www.riken.jp/~/media/riken/research/rikenresearch/RH_2014/hi_7787.jpg Keep in mind with 2way you have 3 sources, in 2.5way you have 2 Edited by gen0me - 20 May 2017 at 3:25pm |
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darkmatter
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Fair enough I haven't compared the 70l @ 68Hz vs 100l @ ~65Hz sims so it's hard for me to judge.
It's probably silly for me to comment without seeing impedance / displacement / port velocity too.
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bmwkid
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It was a suggestion from David. And it makes good sense.
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darkmatter
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Does the 2" driver need it's own separate compartment?
You reduce the distance between the acoustic centres of the 12" and HF drivers, minimising the chances of cancellation/dispersion issues around the x-over point. Snowflake - do you simply mean to take some HF out of the lower 12" driver, or is there a more elegant way?
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bmwkid
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Updated design. Getting somewhere
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snowflake
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does anyone use 2.5 way crossover on boxes like this? should give loads better vertical pattern that way.
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bmwkid
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Hi David,
I have the drivers. Made an error in the firts post. It's the RCF MB12N301 http://www.rcf.it/products/precision-transducers/neodymium-low-frequency-transducers/mb12n301 I can reduce it to approx 70L with a panel between the HF and mids. Tuned at 68Hz gives this plot in WinISD: Gone use them with subs and crossover at about 100 or 120Hz. What is the benefit of placing the drivers close together? Greetings, Kris |
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DMorison
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First of all, do you already have the drivers? If not; check availability, as I think they're discontinued. Second, I agree with Bob4 upthread about getting the Horn and mid drivers as close together as possible. Third, you may not need to make it as big as 100l - making Vb smaller would actually help limit how peaky it gets if you use a tuning slightly higher than your first graph. Even if you're committed to certain outer dimensions for the box, if you need the internal volume to be smaller you can always install a separating panel between the mids and highs to reduce Vb - this will also help stiffen the box. Granted, it won't reach as low as the larger box, but assuming you're going to use it with some kind of subs then losing 10Hz or so of extension may be a valid tradeoff to get a smoother low end. HTH, David.
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bmwkid
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Thx for the info Bob. Tuning them @60Hz will probably reduce the vent size so i can lose the upper vent.
@Soundman Are those tuning vents at the back of your nice build? Regards, |
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My x2 12" + 2" built by Ultimate sounds
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