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the councils sold off the 'dance halls' or community centres as we knew them. Alcohol license relaxation means no more pubs.....
As far as i can see, the crowd is still there. if the crowd had disappeared, we could discuss what we did wrong, but this is not the case. What has happened is that the public spaces we used to use have gone and not been replaced. venues for bands of around the 300-400 capacity have gone leaving no where to play. These sized venues were crucial for up and coming talent, but no more. look at Leeds. had a fantastic live scene, now defunct due to inner city redevelopment. Same with Brighton.
We need to correctly identify the problem and do something about it. The powers that be would much prefer the yout to stay in and play on their computers.  
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Ive organized a few underground sessions and altough there are more risks involved for example police raid and fines its still extremely satisfying to keep an illegal session.

The weird thing is that playing music to your "friends" and having a couple of beers shouldnt be illegal. Its now basically a crime to keep a session somewhere else than a club which has paid all the payments and has all the permissions. If you dont have permissions its a nono. You can keep private sessions but theres the risk of the cops and such.

The clubs close at certain time because thats the law,even if people would like to keep on having a good time it cant be done because if it goes on overtime its worries for the club.
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Originally posted by app app wrote:

Think about what has happened to bands. Theyre even more hard to find than sound systems?

We used to have a blooming dance hall scene in Finland. Im not talking about Jamaican dancehall music but dance halls usually built by a lake or other beautiful surroundings. Even the smallest of towns had dance halls and people came to dance. A band was always playing. There was also record dances where records were played instead of a band.

Not sure what happenend but the dance halls are not in use anymore atleast most of em. They are beautiful structures made from wood usually. There are many dance halls in 20km radius from where I live. Id love to see the return of dance hall. There are still thousands of these in Finland. Propably some byrocratic bs and restrictions and laws which made the dance hall partys harder to organize. Plus the young generation is into looking their tablets and eating them at the same time instead of dancing etcLOL







Man*dreams* If only I had the dunza,
  that space with a few adaptations and a kick ass system would make a serious roller disco venue. It looks massive!! 
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I can only speak for the dutch/belgian scene but this is steadily growing towards a more Brittain-like structure. during late eighties/early nineties regular clubs turned to megadancings which are steadily going bankrupt and replaced by multifunctional venues which promotors rent. 

in the netherlands this is speeded by the fact late nineties the government was spending massive amounts of money on live venues (mostly fully rigged with l'acoustics, martin, Eaw rigs and so on) which the last ten years are getting less and less funding so have to turn to more commercial events which were earlier catered for by the clubs. 
At the moment you have the strange situation of government supported venues hosting "i love the nineties" and commercial venues hosting obscure teknoparties. 

But in the end it all is about the customers. drinks are too expensive, phone bills grow and studies aren't free anymore; choose wisely. and if you don't offer a great experience for the customer you loose them. a 1 euro drink and a topless bargirl just doesnt do the trick anymore. 

http://youtu.be/P-8zYddgcdU late eighties song when belgian government tried to close megadancings at five o clock in the morning..

http://youtu.be/SaBDLS6sYPs great documentary about the rise and fall of belgian megadancings

so, in my opinion nor dj's or government killed anything off, but the customers. it now is to us to reignite the love of any music. by starting small.. i for one am inspired by the efforts of App; small, sometimes with events i only can giggle a bit (unbalanced/balanced ;) ) but ever growing and learning with one great goal; let people know how beatiful his style of music can be. if he can inspire a person living 1000 miles away which will propably never hear his rig in person, we all can do this for the people who turn up at our gigs. 


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from http://www.gmag.org.uk/sounds.php :

A major problem that we have nowadays is too many short sighted, greedy Promoters trying to cash in on the ‘celebrity’ status of some Fatman Sound System at 1970s Danceradio DJs who, seem to have taken over from our beloved Sound Systems. They bring their ‘radio style’ presentation into our sessions and give us almost more talking than music! Another aspect in modern times which is noticeable by the older generation is that there is around ten of these DJs playing on one Bill, each one trying to show the others that they can get the loudest reaction from the crowd. And so, they all end up playing the same over-familiar records instead of taking the crowd through a range of interesting new tunes.
 
Gone are the days when just one Deejay played Reggae all night from 10.00pm until the last person leaves or, as in the case of most ‘Blues Dance (Shub-Een)’, until 2:00pm the next afternoon! The real point of the raves then was aiming to really please the people which don’t seem to happen anymore – it’s just do your bit, collect the money and gone – this bad attitude is very common amongst DJs. Away from music, the success of any long running business product is based upon its heritage and tradition which means holding on to the soundness of the original plan, modernize it but don’t change the foundation or else it becomes something else. If Reggae music was now made with the same amount of attention to detail and quality that Coxsone Dodd’s Studio One, Lee ‘Scratch’ Perry, Gussie Clarke, Harry J, Joe Gibbs and Duke Reid’s Treasure Isle paid then there would be a lot more people happy!
 
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what the authority hate is ganja smoking longhaired layabouts going to late night dances listening to songs of freedom and protest.
 
so they killed it off
 
job done.
 
stay at home and educate yourself with GTA.
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Originally posted by valve head777 valve head777 wrote:

what the authority hate is ganja smoking longhaired layabouts going to late night dances listening to songs of freedom and protest.
 
so they killed it off
Nail on head but we're not done yet :D just need to prove that it's possible to evolve :) for me I'll happily drop the ganja and the laying about if it'll keep the party going. Keeping the long hair though.
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Yes resistance is fertile !!
We should not forget that dancing w
as legal once.
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