How To Power High Powered System From Battery |
Post Reply | Page <123 |
Author | ||
DJ-Dulux
Registered User Joined: 24 August 2009 Location: Kenilworth, UK Status: Offline Points: 378 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Only the DB1.3 is actually digital, the rest are class A/B. The reason the DB1.2 (2014) is recommended is that people have used it and know how much current it pulls. The DB1.3 is digital, but a much bigger amp, most amps are most efficient at close to the max output so people try and select the amp for the most common volume needed, another compromise. Bass eats power, bass is hard outside, you need a lot (+12dB over the rest of the audio spectrum) to make it sound right, consider cutting below 80Hz. Use psychoacoustics to fool people into thinking you have bass, it works surprisingly well as shown with the Boominator. Dupe...
|
||
Dupe...
|
||
Ganon
Registered User Joined: 07 May 2014 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 114 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
If he wants to drive the system to the limit then he must forget about batteries, but if he wants to go for batteries, he must know wich options he can do, instead of just say, no can do, try to give a example of what he can do. A genny will be the option if you go for the amps you have. Car amps will be the solution if you want to go for batteries, the mixer, eq etc. could go over a inverter, they dont use a much power as a amp, or you can do the eq on a minidsp, and see if theres a other solutions for mixer, like a Traktor and a ipad or some other small usb driven mixer. The amps you have is as you say oversized for the system, because you dont want to push it to the limit, with car amps, you have to push it to the limit to save power. One of my friends are building a system for the Roskilde festival, witch 8 BFM Titan48 and 8 BFM Omnitop12, and using two Pioneer GM-D8604 and Two Bassface 1.2, and expecting about 140 db. on full power. That would be enough for a big crowd. I think it's possible. |
||
Peter Jan
Young Croc Joined: 16 December 2008 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 1019 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
I didn't get that info earlier, but how about some pictures of this vehicle ? I'm thinking... do you have the motor running all the time/most of the time while sound is playing ? Can't be that hard to put an extra alternator on the engine to help the batteries. While you would still need some charging system when the motor is not running, inverters and stuff, having this extra alternator can account for less needed battery capacity (=cost & weight saving). But even so, I still would not dig in all this without at least someone that knows his/her way around all this. As someone said, it doesn't take much battery to injure or kill someone. |
||
Saturnus
Old Croc Joined: 13 July 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 2025 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Please note that where BassFace db1.2, db1.3 and db4.1 are class D the rest of BassFace's line up is not. To pull this off to even some degree, all amps must be class D as it generally cuts the needed battery capacity (and thereby size, weight and price) to 1/4th or 1/5th.
Start low and add on as needed. In many, if not most, cases it is much more economical both in power use and life time needed spending to use more speakers than to have higher power amplifiers. For example, if you have 2 subs on one amp adding a 3rd sub on the same amp, provided it can handle the load, would produce about the same acoustical output as having an amp with 4 times the power output on the original 2 subs.
Especially when playing outdoors it's much more about effective cone area (either from the speaker drivers themselves or from the horn loading mouth area) than actual power. A small system with big power might sound big indoors... not so much outdoors. Edited by Saturnus - 08 October 2015 at 10:47am |
||
davey t
Young Croc Joined: 11 March 2004 Location: Bristol UK Status: Offline Points: 1428 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Using class-D 12V car amps is the right way to do it. Converting to 240 then using inverters is a bad idea.
Probably need 8 or so 1000w monoblock amps to run that bass.
like the guys said, it's all about speaker efficiency. You're better off running more speakers with 100w each than fewer with 1000w. |
||
Minirig portable soundsystem movement
|
||
snowflake
Old Croc Joined: 29 December 2004 Location: Bristol Status: Offline Points: 3122 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
isn't the easiest solution to put a generator in the vehicle and vent the exhaust out the roof.
|
||
shagnasty
Old Croc Joined: 30 July 2007 Location: Guildford, UK Status: Offline Points: 7685 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
When the battery bank weighs 5x the genset, use the genset!!!!!!!!!
|
||
Phil B
Old Croc Joined: 21 November 2004 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 2328 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
When the genset pumps out a tonne of particulates and c02 and runs on fossil fuels ... yeah sure... go for it. The point of our system is to show that you can have decent sound from a stand alone re-chargeable battery system. I hope it encourages others to do so and to avoid the " just stick a genny on it" argument. It`s not totally " green" as it needs a big vehicle to pull it and the batteries are hardly environmentally friendly but it points to the future hopefully and away from the head in the sand & oil based culture of today. The renewable energy market is huge and the entertainment industry ignores it .... mainly because of ignorance and no understanding of what it offers .p.
|
||
davey t
Young Croc Joined: 11 March 2004 Location: Bristol UK Status: Offline Points: 1428 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Speak to Mike from the Bimble Inn. They run a really big rig from solar and batteries. I think they have a custom trailer with a huge battery bank and big purpose made inverter. Then they use Lab Gruppen amps.
Pro way of doing it but not cheap. Our 12V rig is pretty loud. 2 double 15" running from two 1200w class-d car amps. Runs for hours on a couple 110Ah batteries. We sometimes run double the number of bins from the same two amps.
|
||
Minirig portable soundsystem movement
|
||
biotec
Old Croc Joined: 07 June 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2932 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
I'd use forklift batteries for your application. They can handle deep discharges without instant death (although I'd still avoid going under 50% DOD), and they can be charged extremely quickly without plates buckling if you have the juice available. Just make sure you feed them lots of water as they'll gas hard off abig charger.
The first thing that I would do is operate your sound system for a night off mains power and use a monitor to see what the long-term average power draw is. Batteries are heavy and expensive and if you get too few, you will damage them, and if you get too many, your wallet and truck suspension will hurt. Just FYI. If your average power draw for 8 hours was 3,000w, you'd need around 4,000ah at 12v to avoid battery damage. This would be around 1.5 tonnes of batteries. It's probable that your power draw will be lower.
|
||
me so horny, me love you long throw.
|
||
Post Reply | Page <123 |
Tweet |
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |