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levyte357
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Posted: 28 April 2010 at 6:29pm |
So many questions scattered around HD15 forum about which drivers apart from Kappa Pro LF, PD154, PD 1550, so thought it a good idea to start this thread (Seeing as I just bought a pile of em)...
1. Anyone using HD15s with drivers that cost £70 or less new/used? 2. What's lowest you have run the above drivers at power ? 3. What's are the perfect T/S Parms for HD15 driver 4. What's are the minimum T/S Parms for HD15 driver 5. Anyone tried new Fane Sovereign/Pro Series ? 6.Does Fane Sovereign Pro LF perform same as Eminence Kappa Pro LF? 7.Is Kappa Pro LF better than Turbosound equivalent for similiar cab? 8. What's difference in performance between Kappa Pro & Pro LF? 9. Can 2x cabs do 70hz with lower cost drivers? EDIT - 29-04-2010 10. Plans say Cab can be driven from 50hz up; What's max safe power input PD154,PD1550, Kappa Pro 15LF can take HD15 70hz up, without blowing Xmax? 11. Can HD15 response be flattened by eq, to sound less Honky upto 150hz with out issue ? 12. Do any drivers sound less "honky" higher up by nature? E.g higher Vas/mid value BL ? Edited by levyte357 - 29 April 2010 at 8:13pm |
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Used a skytec driver in 4 HDs that went into a club for a few months, they survived on a berry 1500 2 per side, and are still working today, so it can be done. Im not a big fan of the PD154, sounds brutal and aggressive, puts a hard edge on everything, the kappa 15 sounds great but wont take much power.
T/S paramiters i would say a reasonable BL is essential, other than that use your ears, its def worth trying different drivers, ive had quite loose drivers sound good in the HDs, but im not into this mega tight hard "bang" sound. I pritty much always cross them at 50Hz and normall on berry 2500s, i prefer to used them as all round bass bins rarther than upper bass cabs, 2 cabs will get fairly low but its not tons of sub, its a sound i like though, makes the music more dynamic, tons of sub tends to overpower everything else IMO and you loose the groove of the tune. HDs arnt really horns in the lower regions so you dont really get that much more extension by adding more cabs, they do what they do with 2,3,4,5,6 etc cabs, you get a little more sub with big stacks and the upper range can beam a bit with wide stacks. Ive not tryed the kappa pros or the fanes so cant comment, the new neo fane that was put on there site the other day looks like a possibility though. One thing i will say is borrow some drivers and do some A/B testing, dont just rely on sims and specs, they dont tell the whole story. |
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Whats the whole set up?
1. Anyone using HD15s with drivers that cost £70 or less new/used? for less than £70 theirs not many options, i havn't simmed any of them but ones to try putting through hornresp around that price would be the fane 500 and 600 (new generation ones look pretty good on paper) 7.Is Kappa Pro LF better than Turbosound equivalent for similiar cab? I wouldn't have thought so, Turbosounds OEM drivers are stonking (having heard the 18" neo driver out of the current gen turbosound BPH in my es18's i can see where the money goes.) 8. What's difference in performance between Kappa Pro & Pro LF? nothing too noticeable, the LF works a little bit better and you're more likely to get away without getting too near xmax without lining the rear chamber. 9.Can 2x cabs do 70hz with lower cost drivers? yes but 80 would be better. |
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Added few more questions to original post.
Getting the feeling cheaper drivers won't automatically die if run from 70hz up, but suprised plan say's 52hz up, if most people frun them from 80hz. |
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Ive run kappa LFs 2 in a stack with high pass at 50HZ 24dB/octave many many times and never blown a driver, that on EP2500s though so there only getting 375W each, itas enough for the kappas though.
below about 75Hz there not really a horn, more a band pass cab, so you dont need to do big stacks like with proper front loaded horns |
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I guess that means at distance/outside, the only the 75hz+ really travels if you only have upto 4x per side ? Edited by levyte357 - 29 April 2010 at 8:15pm |
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I cant say ive noticed a difference in throw with regards to upper bass / lower bass traveling different distances. I was more on about that they only have a short path length, about 75Hz path, and 2 or 3 HDs is enough mouth area to load down to 75Hz, so they can be used in small stcaks. Below that the work more like a bandpass cab with a front chamber and a port, though its a big port, much bigger than most bandpass cabs so it will throw better than most bandpass cabs.
As i understand it throw has a lot to do with radiating area / dispertion. Edit, i really think your best off trying some different drivers and deciding for yourself what suits you, i know you wouldn't choose a scoop driver or a bass amp based on specs and computer predictions, the proof is in the pudding.... Edited by Timebomb - 29 April 2010 at 11:55pm |
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i swear a friend of mine uses, celestion drivers to good effect.
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Back in the day, before there was even a forum, Rog reliably informed me not to use the Kappa Pro LF, but to use the normal Kappa LF.
If you check the plans they also juts say Kappa LF and not pro. Why not just stick PD154 in them and do it properly. We ran them from about 40hz up for years... The -3db point might be at 52hz, but like all bandpass horns they still produce a fair bit lower than that... As for power handling I never used to give mine more than about 500w a driver anyway...
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No reasonable priced used PD154's around, and not enough gigs at the mo' to justify buying 4x of them. Also, they will "only" be used above scoops, so only need drivers that can handle approx 400W @ 70hz in HD15. But even finding these on cheap is tricky, as it seems to require approx 6mm Xmax, depending on BL/Vas. |
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