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CHAMPION
Old Croc Joined: 30 September 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3667 |
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Sticks n Stones
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ceharden
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Now I wonder where they came from.....
They look really smart now. Just a shame they weren't fully working when I was engineering on them regularly! |
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Robbo
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Yeah Chris---We have put some serious time and effort into that system---only four out of twelve of the original Martin/ATC 15" drivers were there and working---we inherited some odd JBL and RCFs inside them with some dodgy re-cone kits fitted and also four of the original 15s with the cone kits ripped out---luckily we had four blown drivers on our stock shelves so in all we had to re-cone eight of the correct drivers which cost a fair old penny or two---All in all we worked it out that it has had over sixty man hours of work put into its total re-furbishment, but it was well worth it as it now looks brilliant and sounds even better---Three of those bass cabinets a side really is something to hear---cheers--John.
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ceharden
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Only 4 original drivers working? I know there were more than that at some point while I was working there. However they used the same drivers in the monitor wedges so I guess some were kept for those maybe.
What condition were the 12" drivers in? They were starting to sound a bit tired IMO. What else did you take away? Any of the amps etc? Answer via PM if you'd prefer.... |
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Robbo
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Yes, We thought that some of the drivers may have gone walkabout into other cabinets and you have just confirmed that---we did not buy anything else as they seemed to want to keep it all for some reason. The problem with the 12" mid drivers was one that we have experienced many times in the past with phase bung mounted units---the dust covers had either disintegrated or become detached fom the cone--so a nice easy fix on them--set of new dust covers and they now sound as good as new. In fact the entire system now sounds awesome and the bottom end will get even better as the new cone kits in the 15" get "run in" over a period of time---cheers--John. |
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ceharden
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Hmm... interesting. Rob was down there last week and all the Camco Vortex 6's that used to run the sub and bass have gone to be replaced with a VZ5000. We thought perhaps you'd bought them but they must have gone elsewhere.
Apparently the new D&B C4 system sounds fecking awful. Whoever set it up must have some real talent to get a D&B system sounding that wrong! And for some crazy reason they're still using the Wembley BLines with their variety of drivers as subs underneath the C4 bass cabs. |
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Robbo
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Yes, I have heard from a couple of people now that the Martin rig p-ssed all over the new D+B system and that they have dropped an almighty b-llock by getting rid of it--if they had put the time and effort into sorting the problems out on the Martin rig and kicked the B lines into touch then they would have saved themselves many thousands of pounds and not finished up with a system considerably worse sounding than the original rig
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robertnisbet
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Hi Robbo.
The Blines are due to go once the four d&b B2s turn up... but we have no ETA on those as yet. For the most part I shall reserve judgement on the rig until those get installed and the C4 tops get flown as they are supposed to be instead of ground stacked. Oh, and the D12 amplifiers turn up... so you see, I'm having to engineer on a far from finished system at the moment - was particularly embarrassing at the first live show there this year (KANO - hip hop, loadsa sub and a French engineer - the French know how to do hip hop) having to apologise to the engineer and tour manager for the subs on one side not working and having to fault find on a system whilst they wait to do the scheduled sound check. Turned out the installer had terminated the wrong cable coming down from the amps room...
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Robert Nisbet
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ceharden
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I do hope you're charging the venue an idiot tax for the gigs.....
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Ibex
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I can't believe, that still no one hasn't measured the F2B and the TSP of the original LMC DLS540 drivers, altought they are already discontinued by martin a long time ago! Someone who has got these bins, should be so kind and do it! Please! ...unfortunately the only thing we know about the F2B is, that they have a smaller rear chamber and a slightly shorter horn path, hence in less low end and more sensitivity in the upper range, compared to the F215 MKIII. BTW, original F215 MKIII driver (LMC DLS15004 or DLS638 ???) TSPs appreciated as well!!! Edited by Ibex - 22 March 2010 at 10:51am |
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Ibex
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Comparison of F2B and 215 MKIII (1.0xPi):
black = F2B - ATC PA100-375 BLC grey = 215 MKIII - ATC PA100-375 BLC BTW, the F2B layout is pretty similar to the schematic representation shown in the user guide... greez |
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Heathrow_B_line
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can you sim it with a pd1550? |
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Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners.
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