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 Topic: My Small little projectPosted: 27 December 2011 at 8:22pm |
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So after posting on here ages ago saying I was going to build a rig, it's finally happening. It's taken this long for me to be able to read up on everything that's required to know before building a sound system. The learning curve for this stuff is steep, something which I didn't fully appreciate when I set out. I already owe a lot to the members of this forum due to the amount of information already collated here! (Take heed anyone in a similar position as me, these forums and the ones on freespeakerplans are invaluable sources of information).
The system I want to create will ideally perform best when playing jungle, dark dnb and breakcore, although it also needs to be able to perform well under any music type, both electronic and live. The first stack I'm going to get will include 4 generic 18" Wbins that I'm still trying to find exact specifications for. To anyone in the Bristol area that might have seen them at some point, they're blue with a single port (as opposed to the 2 or 3 ports I've seen on pretty much every wbin I've tried to research) and have reportedly been around for close to 17years. Two of these Wbins are loaded with 186's, and will be used as kicks. With the aim of getting 2 (and eventually 4) hogs at some point. So my plan for now, is once I pick up the 4 Wbins, keep two loaded with 186's. From there what I plan to do would be to load the two empty Wbins with drivers that would be more suited to subs. As I plan to build two hog's in the summer, ideally it would be nice if I could buy drivers that I could then whack into the Hogs, so the 1850 or the V18. However, I realise these drivers are not best suited to the Wbin cabs. Does anyone have any suggestions? For tops, I plan to use a couple of tops that I'm getting though a mate, I will post more info on them when I have it. To power the Wbins I was looking at the T-amp 3000, or even potentially the 3400. Has anyone got any comments on digital amps over analogue? Now as this is my first venture into rig-building, and soundsystem management, it would be amazing if anyone can think of anything that I might not have though about, or if you guys spot anything in the above that is a definite no-no. As you all know, lotsa money is sunk into projects such as this, so getting it right, and always bearing in mind future upgrading and modulation is key. All and any comments would be amazing! Cheers! Edited by Night Hawk - 20 January 2012 at 1:00am |
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tomschute
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Posted: 29 December 2011 at 1:28pm |
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Hello,
Was doing the main room with Fred @ Therapy in blackswan - think we might have met..? W bins seems a strange way to go. Very 'dated' and not amazingly efficient. But if you have heard them and like them and this is your preference then that's what matters. Personally I'd save for what you want. And go with it first time round. You only end up running a muddled rig for ages which pains you and your punters. Less better - than - more bad, in my book. Some simple 18" reflex with drivers matched well to amps will blow a lot out of the water! Don't underestimate BR cabs. Hogs and 1850s are a killer combo when powered well. If you did stick with W bins with the 186 they will work with the hogs but wont be anywhere near the 1850s / voids. I'd stick to HDs / ES18 on top of the hogs though. Or match up kicks to the tops you get to plug the freq. gaps. Prolines sound good. Bridging a 2700 into 4 ohm on 2x 1850s is best. A Inf8 will go a long way. If you want opinions on switch mode v's torodial you have come to the right place. However if you really want to know how it sounds go borrow one of each and A/B. Your opinion is the only one that counts not the muppets on here (like me). Good luck. Hope you are ready to sign away your life ;) Tom Edited by tomschute - 29 December 2011 at 1:44pm |
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Posted: 29 December 2011 at 1:51pm |
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+1
IMHO, HD15s are waste of space compared to ES18s.
 Prolines are great in 4 ohm bridge, buf after a while, "everyone" finds them unacceptably heavy. Proline 3000, on kick, will drive 2x 186 Loaded ES18 per channel, 65hz+, no problem. Inf8Mk2 will save on money/weight in the long run.  |
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"This thing is brutally loud. Only been flogging it in the workshop so far but it was amusing listening to the windows rattle as the wave makes it way down the length of the workshop.".
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Night Hawk
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Posted: 04 January 2012 at 6:59pm |
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Safe Tom, yeah I think we did, congrats on the system that night, it was impressive to say the least. Especially when Dylan was slinging heavy daggagaggaga's of bass around.
We heard them and they sound nice, if I get a chance I'd like to A-B them against some other kicks but for the price and deal we're getting, I'm not too fussed. I've read lot's about W bins being quite outdated, but it seems to be that they can sound nice, but just are so big that more recent designs are favored?
Such as the X1 or similar as opposed to umping to hog scoops straight away? What're your thoughts on the Cubo 18 cab's?
Do you mean Hog's loaded with 1850's, or Hog's and 1850 scoops in a stack? The latter is very similar to what I'd like to achieve. For what reasons would you stick with HD's or the ES18 for kicks, over say an 1850 bin? Is it purely budget based?
An Infinite 8 would be a dream. Although pricy. It's good to hear that the Prolines are nice, as they seem like an affordable solution. Cheers for the help Tom :), and yeah, I'm ready to sign away my life :D.
For what reasons do you prefer the ES18's??
Yeah, they are having sex heavy, the nigh tom was on about above I witnessed two guys almost having to drag one across a room to the rack. What do you think about the Proline 3400? You both would say it's worthwhile getting an Infinite 8 though? Cheers for the help guys :) |
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Posted: 08 January 2012 at 6:45pm |
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Got the two "w" bins today, will chuck them up when I get photo's to see if anyone can shed any light on them?
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Posted: 09 January 2012 at 4:36am |
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Apologies for the tripple posdt, but here is a picture of them :)
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Posted: 20 January 2012 at 1:02am |
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   Edited by Night Hawk - 20 January 2012 at 1:04am |
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Posted: 20 January 2012 at 12:11pm |
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Thunderidge tops!
 Are you getting anymore?Looking good, cabs a need a little TLC but that's expected with any second hand boxes. +1 on the W bins being dated, but they still sound good! They just require a little more effort to move from A to B. When you start using them on the regular, you may see the advantage of using other designs that are more efficient and lighter/smaller. |
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Lucid Dreaming :)
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Night Hawk
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Posted: 20 January 2012 at 3:27pm |
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Haha I wish, meybie in the future ;) We need to power them first as we currently have lots of things to make noise, but noting that can make them make noise! Edited by Night Hawk - 20 January 2012 at 3:28pm |
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Posted: 21 January 2012 at 9:55am |
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But will still cripple you and your friends every time you go out with our kit..... First time iv ever herd some one compare an Inf8 and it to come out saving weight..... |
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Posted: 19 February 2012 at 5:17pm |
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Well, got the next part of it last night, two unloaded hog scoops from the Neverlution boys :). Shaping up quite nicely. Now need to focus on drivers and amps...
 If anyone has any advice or things to note now that it's starting to pull together, it would be much appreciated :) Edited by Night Hawk - 19 February 2012 at 7:07pm |
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Posted: 19 February 2012 at 8:05pm |
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sell the w bins
 sorry only joshin! Good start. Get some decent drivers and decent amps - don't skimp! Less better than more shit imo. See you soon, Tom |
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