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Haha.

If I rent a TMS-4 cabinet I would NEVER expect it to be original inside!
Why? -because they barely exist, most people buy / sell as "original" but everytime you check it, even from thrusted sellers they're not!

From different sources I've had 12 tms-4 & 16 tms-2's thru my hands, a few singles were all original but no sets were!

@Shagnasty: I didn't mean to sound defensive, I don't really have to care as long as we are happy:-)
I respect very much the work of turbosound / T.A. and fane/PD and there's so many factors that influence the sound. For instance I tried n407 driver in there, the cone has a more curved shape and a much louder sound and better sensivity, by measure it was only 1 db louder, but by ear it was more. The shape and sound of the cone was more like the original, but still the voicecoil is much bigger, we considered trying some of the rcf 3" 15" neos, but the results were very nice with 4". There's no problem reaching the higher frequencies. I don't know why this is harder thru a horn? -as most 15" would easily reach above 250-300 in a normal frontloaded box.
Also notice the EBP which tells if the driver is suited for a mid horn, the EBP  of the rcf mb15n401 is 221! -Which is pretty high for an 15" driver, I don't even think I found any higher.
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Originally posted by midas midas wrote:

Originally posted by shagnasty shagnasty wrote:

My comment stands, if you want a Turbosound box you need to use the correct drivers (be it OEM Turbo or the EV/Beyma for tops etc) if you don't use the proper drivers you don't have a Turbosound cabinet, you have something else, better or worse, open for debate, but if I rent a TMS-4 I expect a TMS-4, not a RCF/B&C loaded blue box....

I am sure I saw some on Ebay the other day that had the original 'Eminence' drivers in....Confused
Saw them, I nearly bought them!!
Tri-amped, only the top drivers to change out, I was tempted but as owning a sound system is a hobby to me I can't see how I can justify another  set of Turbo boxes!!!!
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Whow I have the same problem how can I justify this hobby-system?
At the moment I have:
14 tms-2's
20 turbo bph copies
8/12 groundsound subs
+minirigs (less than 8 boxes per rig)

No jobs really, but we should get started this summer, we're trying to put a soundsystem together, but not much is happening, the boys are more than just SLOW!


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Good Day,
 
Do you ever come upon legacy TMS series mid waveguides? I am looking for two.
 
Thanks and have a great day!
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I have two copies, but I don't know if they're exact enough, split some tms-3s perhaps?
@RKnoll: did you get my pm? Sounds interesting if you have tms parts!
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Hi tv00,
I cant seem to find your PM but I did receive your alert. Sorry, I am an idiot. Everything I have is from the original Turbosound company in the late 70's. I also have cabinet plans and passive X-over plans. I have no idea why I cant find the mail section.
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Originally posted by Rknoll Rknoll wrote:

Hi tv00,
I cant seem to find your PM but I did receive your alert. Sorry, I am an idiot. Everything I have is from the original Turbosound company in the late 70's. I also have cabinet plans and passive X-over plans. I have no idea why I cant find the mail section.
You don't have enough posts yet to read PM's.
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I was going to post the pics but I cant do that either. Agressive firewall.
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Thanks for the info!
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Who cares about new membership rules?
Let's make some forum SPAM instead!
By the way you've been in this business much longer than I!

Here we go, @Others: close your eyes, this is PM:

Interesting reading, I've been writing with John Newsham & indirectly with Tony via Ann Andrews about these first boxes I have.
As far as I've heard you've been using a bit different drivers in the US?
I think your boxes were originally with the fane basket, but some people changed to jbl, jbl drivers have been used too right?

Some of the older boxes like tms-2 serial 2 & 4 & early tms-4 hold jbl 2425 drivers, but I think they've been put later.

The fane 10" drivers were definately with magnets from fane in the UK, at least John says so.
I have never seen the original fane basket 15" drivers, only pd, my 2 tms-2 has got fane studio 15b, and I think the first drivers were actualy fanes. Do you have any of the original "turbo" fane 15" drivers?
Do you have any of the old (shitty) cd-101? (or just a backplate, one of mine is missing)
GOT THAT CD-101 THANKS TO JOHN NEWSHAM AT F1 (HE KEPT THE PARTS FOR 30 YEARS I GUESS!)

I'm trying to make the two old tms-2s as original as possible.
I have 12 more that I have upgraded with rcf mb15nb401 / bms 4540nd + original 10"

What parts do you have:-) (I have plenty of passive filters, I ripped mine out to go active)

-Louis
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Just three more points and I can send some pics!
I am in Canada and in the seventees I worked for a pro audio company that had recording studios, built radio stations, handled high end audio, service and design and had a touring division. Yep, I was in heaven I guess you could say (or hell). We used the staples of the day for touring: Altec and JBL. One day we had some TMS-2 cabinets show up. They were TMS-2 and they were black with an internal passive. None of the magnets had labels of any kind. These were built under license in Canada by a firm in Quebec. We liked them a lot so order TMS3 and 4's. They were black as well. We used modified BS electronic X-overs as Turbo had nothing then to offer us. After a few uses I found the mids were not clean so I started asking questions directly to Turbosound UK. To make a long story short Turbosound replaced all the cabinets with blue ones direct from the UK and no longer had them built in Canada. Also, all the drivers had Turbosound stickers on them. Through research and the original "not quite Turbo" black boxes, it was easy to figure out the Fane and Beyma relationship. We docuemented everything which is why I am sitting on so much info. Box construction, x-over construction with coil values, what Fane baskets were used. We actually built a box with stock Fane from back then as a test. Well 40 years later I dug out two boxes and all of the stock parts I had in stock. Cool referring to docuementation I did so many years ago. Anyways, if you need info I can help. I also have two additional original woofers for some reason that I cant recall. I would like to find two of the original turbine style mid waveguides so I can complete the project. I dont need the dam things now but would like to find the waveguides. As soon as I hit ten points, I will post the pics of the raw drivers and such.
 
Sorry about the PM.
 
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