Peshkov Sub - Scoop / Tapped / ARLS??? |
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jethrocker
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@Ibex.. as you say most TH designs don't use a chamber, though as mentioned by Johan they will generally then need to have a longer horn to achieve the low end response. Cabs sizes for either approach will probably end up similar as the extra horn or the chamber will take up a similar amount of space.
@Johan.. you mention that an 18" tends to play flatter in a given design than a 15".. what in particular about the specs do you think is causing this result? Is it ratio of SD to driver BL or FS, or something along those lines? |
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mobiele eenheid
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From a constructional perspective, including a small chamber is easier to design/build (in designs where the magnet facing the outside would cause problems, i.e. think the HOG and Microscoop's inability to have grills in such way). In the initial/ original tapped horn design a chamber is small by means of the way it's constructed. Tom Danley advised against having a significant chamber in such designs.
@HeaveyJeth: Up till now I've been looking at it as a matter of larger Sd, increasing SPL between the 2 "tapped resonance peaks", but I probably should probe it further then that.
Regards Johan
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Ibex
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Okay guys, so it's on me, what kind of enclosure i would prefer... maybe i will build both (tapped & microscoop) and then make a decision.
Before i will resimulate the scoop designs as a tapped one... stay tuned an keep me up-to-date with your results relating to dependence of SPL between the 2 tapped resonance peaks on driver parameter. maybe thats interesting too: http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/th-mini--tapped-horn--by-danley-sound-labs_topic19409_post277611.html#277611 greez |
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bomber
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Hi all!
I have 16 of Peshkov subs
use them 3 years already.
If someone has to questions please write me.
This is very fast hi spl subs.Best for very fast bass lines,like drum n bass bass lines.
This subs was used in different clubs in "Blazin" party of dj Profit in Moscow,concert sweden rap-dancehall artist - MillionStylez in the club Yellow Moscow... and many others
so i can just tell pluses and minuses of this subs in use:
PLUSES:
1.very fast responding bass reproduction,ultimate for very fast music like drum n bass music
2.when use stacks of its - u got extended lower bass,but still fast
3.hi spl for ultimate mini size
4.very useful,easy move and transport,u can drag and move it by 1 person,and very easy with 2 person,easy placeable in small spaces like small rooms,or if you need to move it in limited passes
like ship`s traps and other situations,when you`ll have big problems and many people to load or unload water transport e t c...
5.hi power and durablilty thanks to 12LW1400 power driver
6. very LOW total system latency - bass vs mid vs sat - so singer hear no chorus effect with monitors portals and singer`s voice
7. easy divided to few small sound installations or combined into one big installaition.
8.can be used like low-mid bass section,and extend any sound system if needed
... and sometimes i hear bassists replics - wow it sounding as fast as my bass combo!!! and i hear all notes i playing!!
Also i have 4 of WSX re-designed by Peshkov for PD1850.
sometimes i used 1 peshkov sat+2 WSX pers side and powering up mid bass section with Peshkov`s small subs,converted to lo-mid sections in this case and i have i clear ultra fast bass lines and still very low latency - so i not use special latency for make WSX faster - i just use latency sat-mid-midlow and WSX play like they can))) but extend hearing lows
In some cases i use only Peshkov sat`s with WSX too - he wrote about before
If any questions - please ask me
And big thx fo Maksim Peshkov and Eugeniy Goryachev again again and again
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Ibex
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Hi Bomber! Very cool what you haver writen! Do you use the WSX Subs stand alone as well? Isn't it better to use 3 small Peshkov subs instead of one WSX, does the WSX (stand alone) have an lower cut-off frequency than 3 of the small subs??? Where are the crossover points, when you use 1 Peshkov top combined with 1 WSX, or what's the lower cut-off frequency of a Peshkov sat? (questions based on following post of mine: http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27673&PID=276714&title=peshkov-sub--scoop--tapped--arls#276714 ) I think it would be better to make a stack of 4 WSX instead of 2x2, because the WSX is constructed to use it in arrays of 4 and more... Would you be so kind to tell me the outer dimensions of a small peshkov sub? How does one of the small Peshkov subs work when you use it stand alone? (based on this post: http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27673&PID=275337&title=peshkov-sub--scoop--tapped--arls#275337 ) Do you have any pix of your system to post? greez |
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Ibex
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Hey folks!
I don't know if somebody is interested, but here is the HOG Scoop downscaled correctly simulated as a tapped horn:
First the comparison between the RLH and the tapped horn simulation:
black = Tapped Horn
grey = RLH
Now the complete hornresponse simulation for 1/3 cabs:
black = 1x
grey = 3x
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Quantum Sounds
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ibex you appear to have the wrong s/t peramiters for the 12lw400, i have BL=24.5, Re = 5.5, mms 95, Le = 1.72, cms = 1.14e-4 and rms = 4.16, are you using an older version of the driver?
http://lautsprecher-technik.de/pdf/18sound/12LW1400.pdf |
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levyte357
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With the "right" drivers, WSX will easily go downto usable 45hz in paris. Think you'll find 186Horn in pairs with right drivers, is also very interesting. Edited by levyte357 - 03 July 2009 at 6:43pm |
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Ibex
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Hi! I think you have an old one, mine is from 02/03/2009 loaded from www.eighteencound.com... greez |
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Ibex
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Which driver would work so brilliant in the WSX cabs? I have used the supposed original (according to TDA) driver RCF L18P300... (as I wrote before, some don't take notice that the WSX is a hyperbolic horn and has no exponential flare, expo would go down very low easily) greez |
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levyte357
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V18-1000 You really do need to search the forum and read up on WSX. A number of members have built the WSX, and used either V18-1000 or Celestion. Edited by levyte357 - 04 July 2009 at 9:19pm |
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tv00
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@ibex: this is interesting, I would like to build some 12" cabs. considering scoop, hog or tapped?
And now we're at it: Where do i find the graph of the correctly simulated 18" hog scoop? I've been searching around here for it, next week I think I might stack hog+1850 horn + altec 816 + ev sh-1810h Edited by tv00 - 23 October 2011 at 10:23pm |
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