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    Posted: 27 March 2017 at 2:58am
What's everyone's opinions of the powersoft k series, I was looking at the K8 and K10, is it worth getting it with or without the dsp and why

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Armonia (the DSP software) is incredibly powerful and intuitive, however, some people prefer the ability to make small adjustments on the fly with a more classic LMS with front panel controls... depends on your workflow style I guess.

All our Powersofts have the DSP - but we occasionally have jobs where it makes more sense to bypass the DSP and sling an XTA / Merlin / Soundweb in the rack. At least then we have the best of both worlds.
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Being a bit old school, I prefer to have a separate LMS to tweak things on the fly.

Having said that, these days in a world of gain shading line arrays and cardioid subs, I find that we need to have racks that run Dante and will do 16 in and 16 out, so integeral DSP is crucial for us. So much so that we are going through the long winded and costly process of selling off our large quantity of non DSP Powersoft K8's for all singing all dancing X8's:

http://forum.speakerplans.com/powersoft-k8-outline-t9_topic98116.html

So, I guess I'm saying, look at what you need. Is your rig stereo 3 way or 4 way? Or is it potentially a convoluted 32 way virtual rats nest of beam steered bi-amp mains, bi-amp downfill, bi-amp front fill, end fire cardioid sub array system? Or is it a couple of stacks Floodlight? Something like a second hand XTA DP226 would be a damn sight more cost effective than paying the additional costs for Powersoft DSP cards, that's for sure.
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Originally posted by Shelfstacker Shelfstacker wrote:


So, I guess I'm saying, look at what you need. Is your rig stereo 3 way or 4 way? Or is it potentially a convoluted 32 way virtual rats nest of beam steered bi-amp mains, bi-amp downfill, bi-amp front fill, end fire cardioid sub array system? Or is it a couple of stacks Floodlight? Something like a second hand XTA DP226 would be a damn sight more cost effective than paying the additional costs for Powersoft DSP cards, that's for sure.


LOL When you compare this to say, Live Aid, or big concerts full of MTL or similar. IS it progress? Certainly is for the profits of the manufacturer. Science eh!  Off subject a bit sorry. And having seen the price of the DSP cards, na, used XTA like the man says
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Go for the amps without DSP.

FIR filters are for idiots and ruin the sound Wink
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by saying k8 and k10 Im assuming your only gonna go powersoft on bass ??

Id say if your using a 3/4 amp system and its all powersoft then yes go dsp with armonia
but if your gonna use 2 or 3 other amps and just powersoft on bass then you dont need it at this stage.
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Originally posted by Aman Gebru Aman Gebru wrote:

Go for the amps without DSP.

FIR filters are for idiots and ruin the sound Wink

Looking forward to the replies on this one!! LOL
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Get the DSP, it's very reasonably priced at trade (six amps will cost you the same as an XTA and frankly, give you way more power and control) and the software is literally a decade ahead in terms of usablility. And nobody can mess with stuff once it's set.

If you want to use something else on the front for whatever reason, then you can bypass it and make it a dumb amp.

I honestly hate going back to a standalone DSP, it's too restrictive and unflexible. Any of our amps can run any of our boxes or anybody else's, on their own.

Originally posted by nickyburnell nickyburnell wrote:

Originally posted by Shelfstacker Shelfstacker wrote:


So, I guess I'm saying, look at what you need. Is your rig stereo 3 way or 4 way? Or is it potentially a convoluted 32 way virtual rats nest of beam steered bi-amp mains, bi-amp downfill, bi-amp front fill, end fire cardioid sub array system? Or is it a couple of stacks Floodlight? Something like a second hand XTA DP226 would be a damn sight more cost effective than paying the additional costs for Powersoft DSP cards, that's for sure.


LOL When you compare this to say, Live Aid, or big concerts full of MTL or similar. IS it progress? Certainly is for the profits of the manufacturer. Science eh!  Off subject a bit sorry. And having seen the price of the DSP cards, na, used XTA like the man says


Maybe listen to some MTL with your ears instead of nostalgia, and then see if you still think it isn't progress

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so you have to control the dsp with a computer then.. you can't do it at all from the front panel of the amp?
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Originally posted by cravings cravings wrote:

so you have to control the dsp with a computer then.. you can't do it at all from the front panel of the amp?


If you took a look at Armonia's features, you'd realise what a total pain in the cnt it'd be to operate that with 4 buttons...
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Originally posted by dylan-penguinmedia dylan-penguinmedia wrote:

Originally posted by cravings cravings wrote:

so you have to control the dsp with a computer then.. you can't do it at all from the front panel of the amp?


If you took a look at Armonia's features, you'd realise what a total pain in the cnt it'd be to operate that with 4 buttons...

The only button I use on the front is the power button LOL
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Originally posted by toastyghost<br><br>Maybe listen to some MTL with your ears instead of nostalgia, and then see if you still think it isn't progress <img src=smileys/smiley18.gif border=0 align=middle /> [/QUOTE toastyghost

Maybe listen to some MTL with your ears instead of nostalgia, and then see if you still think it isn't progress [/QUOTE wrote:



Where the *uck did I say it wasn't progress. I ASKED is it progress?  Progress can be measured in many ways, on what was a predominantly DIY forum that would be cost v's result.
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Where the *uck did I say it wasn't progress. I ASKED is it progress?  Progress can be measured in many ways, on what was a predominantly DIY forum that would be cost v's result.
Shelfstackers comment was also full of humour (look it up) and PERHAPS the OP doesn't have access to trade prices?.  And yes, MTL was weird but if you look I said, "or similar" which in a non Asperger's world should have painted the picture.OuchOuchOuchOuchOuch
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