PR design help needed in Bass Box Pro 6

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   ok, this will be my last call... this is my attempt at the crossover highpass. i've also included cable and amp source resistance along with some added real time effected response. the result shown is VERY different from what Xover Pro 3 says for this setup. highpass is set to 20hz 4th order 24db/oct butterworth. Xover pro 3 shows a rather more accurate  looking 24/oct highpass that is more steeply cut off compared to the shown below results. the below is set with the circuit values that Xover pro 3 gave me which shows more of a 12/oct slope than anything... i even gave Xover pro the enclosure effects and PR specs and the source resistances and it still comes out with completely different results. THIS is the issue i'm having and feel it's not right. 

if someone with experience using these two programs together could confirm or de-bunk this please by all means, do so. i'd like to know if this is common with Bass Box Pro 6 and Xover Pro 3 or if i may have a defective copy or have something setup wrong or over looking something.

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Jay Lawless Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 22 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1702	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jay Lawless Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: PR design help needed in Bass Box Pro 6 Posted: 07 December 2009 at 10:39am
	ok, this will be my last call... this is my attempt at the crossover highpass. i've also included cable and amp source resistance along with some added real time effected response. the result shown is VERY different from what Xover Pro 3 says for this setup. highpass is set to 20hz 4th order 24db/oct butterworth. Xover pro 3 shows a rather more accurate looking 24/oct highpass that is more steeply cut off compared to the shown below results. the below is set with the circuit values that Xover pro 3 gave me which shows more of a 12/oct slope than anything... i even gave Xover pro the enclosure effects and PR specs and the source resistances and it still comes out with completely different results. THIS is the issue i'm having and feel it's not right. if someone with experience using these two programs together could confirm or de-bunk this please by all means, do so. i'd like to know if this is common with Bass Box Pro 6 and Xover Pro 3 or if i may have a defective copy or have something setup wrong or over looking something.
	Previously known as NeverWinter Background: Automotive, Live and Home Custom Design. mid/high level based design and feild experience. Bass specialist

Jay Lawless Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 22 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1702	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jay Lawless Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 December 2009 at 8:44pm
	i don't mean to be pushy here on what i'm asking for but i do need the help. i just need to see the excursion chart with the given highpasses. i've tried setting the crossovers manually in Xover pro 3 and then using the values over in BBP6 on external adtitives for crossover effects what i end up gettings is Xover Pro 3 giving what seems to be the right crossover point but i can't tell with it's small graph where as if i use those same values on BBP6's setup in exactly where is says those values fit, it shows on the graphs that it's apparetnly a 60-70hz highpass when it was originally a 20hz. this is what i'm dealing with and it's not letting me do what i need to do.
	Previously known as NeverWinter Background: Automotive, Live and Home Custom Design. mid/high level based design and feild experience. Bass specialist

Jay Lawless Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 22 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1702	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jay Lawless Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 December 2009 at 10:04pm
	here's what i have so far, i just need the crossover vieew, specifically on excursion. graphs below is modeled with 2 of the mentioned enclosures above. excursion is identical regardless if enclosures are split or together.
	Previously known as NeverWinter Background: Automotive, Live and Home Custom Design. mid/high level based design and feild experience. Bass specialist

Jay Lawless Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 22 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1702	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jay Lawless Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 December 2009 at 9:56pm
	can anyone else with Bass Box Pro 6 and Xover Pro 3 plug in this project and tell me what you get please? i'm having some crossover issues with the two programs enclosure size of 25 litres main driver specs: FS - 18.1hz RE - 3.5 Znom - 8ohm LE - 4.2 QMS - 3.7 QES - 0.21 QTS - 0.20 BL - 17.6Tm Xmax - 12.5 Xmech - 17.5 RMS - 5.12Kg/s MMS - 166.3g CMS - 0.46mm/N SD - 466cm^2 VAS - 139.2lts Sensitivity - 90.6db (2.83v/1m) Power - 300rms/600peak PR specs of: FS - 10.4hz QMS - 15.2 VAS - 169.6litres CMS - 0.55mm/n MMS - 425g + 175g 600g RMS - 1.8 kg/s XMAX - 24mm SD - 466cm^2 environment profile should be on Car with 12db / 50hz standard center. my main issue is that i can't seem to get Xover Pro 3 to work properly with BBP6, they wont start within one another like thier options say they will and when i do the crossover setings seperate from one another, they give completely different results with the same driver. i need to see the responce chart and excursion chart at 600watt with a 20hz, 23hz and 25hz highpass at 4th order 24db cutoff. doesn't really matter on what style it is, the crossover is a standard amp based crossover that you'd see in any of the late model Crown amps. i need to make sure that at those highpass points, the PR wont over do it's self.
	Previously known as NeverWinter Background: Automotive, Live and Home Custom Design. mid/high level based design and feild experience. Bass specialist