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Topic: TH-Mini - tapped horn - by Danley Sound Labs
Posted By: TDA-Audio
Subject: TH-Mini - tapped horn - by Danley Sound Labs
Date Posted: 02 September 2008 at 5:44pm
Hi all


who made this cabinet ???

that say  ?

where take plan?




http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/tapped_horn.asp?MODEL=TH%20MINI


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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 03 September 2008 at 6:58am

thats weird, that looks like a tapped horn bin I did many, many years ago before Tom Danley named it the "Tapped Horn" 

I'll do a quick sketch, Tre4u2nv may still have one, takes a 12'' 

 
http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/">img301/3361/12gu4.jpg


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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 03 September 2008 at 11:05am
I think it looks like this



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Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 03 September 2008 at 3:16pm
Thats a pretty good guess i reckon,


Posted By: TDA-Audio
Date Posted: 03 September 2008 at 5:53pm
\\\\ looks like this\\\\\

to  Marjan...yes, approximately...
where take detailed plan???

what driver use??? 







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Posted By: Deadbeat
Date Posted: 03 September 2008 at 6:15pm
Close, but no cigar, Mykey. I would reckon that would be a bass reflex meself...tapped horns function quite a bit differently I think. Ah, but many years ago there was the Jensen transflex and JBL air coupler and EV T18, though, I think? But then again none were exactly a tapped horn by any means...

TDA, as with all (excluding the Labsub) of Tom's designs, he does not give you any plans (unless you are as unchivalrous enough to open a box and post a plan, unlike most designers he is an active force on the internet), but instead dispenses lots of easy to find advice on designing such horns, indeed you can design one quick in hornresp, and I believe djk has designed a bin of similar proportions taking a 12.

Good day.


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Posted By: Disco Stu
Date Posted: 03 September 2008 at 6:45pm
Yep I think Tom doesnt try and shroud his products in secrecy like some. He knows that if people want to find out how a box works they can just open it and see. That doesnt mean they can copy it and get a good sound though. He knows this which is why he appears honest and open about the theory.

Stu

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Posted By: Deadbeat
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 9:52am
An interesting TH-mini alternative plan by Patrick Bateman:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1601818#post1601818 - http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1601818#post1601818


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Posted By: TDA-Audio
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 10:11am
\\\\\An interesting TH-mini alternative plan by Patrick Bateman:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1601818#post1601818
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not plan...

only test sub,s ...


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Posted By: TDA-Audio
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 10:13am
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\Danley Sound Labs TH-mini - List $1295 ($1425 for flyable version)

I was quite impressed with the amount of low-end that came out of these boxes. They aren't much bigger than most computer towers and yet they would fill the room with a nice pleasing low-end. Their response does drop off down really low but they should work incredibly well for anyone looking for super compact but great sounding subs. As Ivan mentioned, these are geared for super portable systems or space constrained installs.\\\\\\\\\\\\\



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Posted By: Deadbeat
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 11:23am
Originally posted by TDA-Audio TDA-Audio wrote:

\\\\\An interesting TH-mini alternative plan by Patrick Bateman:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1601818#post1601818
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not plan...

only test sub,s ...


That's all you will be getting off the internet, I'm afraid, that, and djk's sub. There are no plans, (even if there were, I wouldn't link to them as it directly contradicts the rules of the forum asking for current production models). Asking for Danley sound labs plans is akin to asking for Funktion one plans...only the man tells you how to design and make boxes operating under similar concepts.

You have to make your own plans from the hornresp inputs.

I believe djk has a rough diagram of his TH-mini alternative.


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Posted By: TDA-Audio
Date Posted: 11 June 2009 at 6:15pm
my version Tapped Horn



still
http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/tapped_horn.asp?MODEL=TH%20MINI

based plan Staip

http://speakerplans.com/forum/staiper-design-for-learning-hornresp_topic24297.html

I calculated... wide resize...

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Posted By: jethrocker
Date Posted: 12 June 2009 at 5:07am
Interesting TDA... how does it sound..any measurements or even just simmed response?

edit: OP name confusion.




Posted By: S.A.L.S.A
Date Posted: 12 June 2009 at 3:09pm
How are the results in comb. with the NEXO LS1200 sub??
Does it goes louder and deeper??
 
Nice bin!
 
Dave


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Posted By: bitzo
Date Posted: 12 June 2009 at 3:22pm
I think he doesn't use this bin in combo, probably he has stacked on a nexo to facing the external dimension. Just IMHO

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Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 13 June 2009 at 10:20am
Very nice!!!
TDA, which driver do you use in your cab?
How does it sound?
Did you make a comparison to the original th mini?
Does your design play deeper or loeder than the one from tom?
Measurements would be very interesting!


Posted By: TDA-Audio
Date Posted: 15 June 2009 at 9:32pm
inside 18" version





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Posted By: jethrocker
Date Posted: 16 June 2009 at 6:59am
Very nice ... but we still want answers :)


Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 16 June 2009 at 7:11am
Originally posted by jethrocker jethrocker wrote:

Very nice ... but we still want answers :)
 
Seems that TDA's real intention is to give us some philosophic thoughts Wacko
 
http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/get_last_post.asp?TID=27673 - http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/get_last_post.asp?TID=27673
 
 
Although i'm as well very strained to get some auditory impressions from TDA corresponding on the 12" and the 18" modified tapped constructions.


Posted By: Father-Francis
Date Posted: 16 June 2009 at 8:21am
Originally posted by jethrocker jethrocker wrote:

Very nice ... but we still want answers :)


TDA write in Russian we will translate , no worriesThumbs Up I´l speak for some of us we getting more outernational Big smile


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Posted By: TDA-Audio
Date Posted: 16 June 2009 at 3:39pm
Quote
...seems that you know each other?
 
yes . I Max Peshkov has reported on forum
 
Quote TDA, what do you as a pro-engineer think about my point of view on the miscellaneous cab designs? Where is the leak in my assumption? Why aren't the responses congruent?
 
18" version - full still Staip
 
12" version - recalculated ....
 
i used

I am a test driver"s -

p-audio p-120\130Lf
B&c 12nw100
Ciare 12.00sw
Beyma 12Lx60
P-Audio SD-12EL
 
and 18"
18lw1400
18tbx100
 
18" cabs  - good pressure, but big weight.. (for 18tbx100).
18lw1400 - no good work..
 
12"cab - ciare - very big pressure!!
12"nw100 - good, but much loses ciare...
12LX60 - Very Good.
SD-12EL - good. 

12 versions -preference...small size! and good pressure for their own size

 
 
Tapped Horn and Scoop"s - different cabs ...


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Posted By: TDA-Audio
Date Posted: 16 June 2009 at 3:50pm
Quote How are the results in comb. with the NEXO LS1200 sub??
Does it goes louder and deeper??
 
LS1200 vs TH 12"
 
12" 48hz -6 db.
ls-1200  32hz -6db
 
 

pressure

th-12" vs LS1200 (street)
 
for 1 m - ls1200 more pressure
but 15-20m - TH-12" vs Ls1200 -  approximately equally pressure..
 


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Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 16 June 2009 at 9:30pm
First of all: TDA, thanks for answering!


Originally posted by TDA-Audio TDA-Audio wrote:

12" version - recalculated ....
 
p-audio p-120\130Lf
B&c 12nw100
Ciare 12.00sw
  
12"cab - ciare - very big pressure!!
12"nw100 - good, but much loses ciare...


I think the 12NW100 has the same parameters as the 12PS100 but with neodym instead of ferrite?

Isn't the response of the 12" version loaded with the Ciare a little bit peaky in comparison to the B&C? Did you annoy the minimum at 80Hz when you were listening to music and/or made your comparison/measurements?

That is, what the simulation says:
Staiper Design by TDA - Ciare 12.00SW vs. B&C 12PS100 - SPL
black = B&C 12PS100
grey = Ciare 12.00SW


Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 17 June 2009 at 6:05pm
Originally posted by TDA-Audio TDA-Audio wrote:

 
18" version - full still Staip
 
and 18"
18lw1400
18tbx100
 
18" cabs  - good pressure, but big weight.. (for 18tbx100).
18lw1400 - no good work..
 


TDA, i'm not able to reconstruct what you said, my results are nearly congruent with both drivers...
Confused

Staiper Design - B&C 18TBX100 - Hornresponse Input Data
Staiper Design - 18Sound 18LW1400 vs. B&C 18TBX100 - SPL
black = 18Sound 18LW1400
grey = B&C 18TBX100


Posted By: TDA-Audio
Date Posted: 17 June 2009 at 8:19pm
frequency graf

B&C 12nw100


full Resolutsuion
http://tda-audio.users.photofile.ru/photo/tda-audio/182351/128047183.jpg

Ciare 12.00sw


full Resolutsuion
http://tda-audio.users.photofile.ru/photo/tda-audio/182351/128047194.jpg








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Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 17 June 2009 at 9:02pm
wow, is the mic calibrated and everything accurate with that graph? if so then thats pretty good! was that 1w i assume?


Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 17 June 2009 at 9:41pm
Sorry, in one of my last posts i thought that the B&C 12NW100 and the B&C 12PS100 have the same thiele&small parameter, but i was wrong, so here you have the correct comparison of the Ciare and the B&C simulated:

Staiper Design by TDA - Ciare 12.00 SW vs. B&C 12NW100 - SPL 
black = B&C 12NW100
grey = Ciare 12.00 SW


Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 17 June 2009 at 9:47pm
Originally posted by Jake_Fielder Jake_Fielder wrote:

wow, is the mic calibrated and everything accurate with that graph? if so then thats pretty good! was that 1w i assume?


Yes jake, this would be interesting, cause the simulation shows much lower sensitivity.


Seems that the peaky response as shown in the simulation isn't so dramatic in the real world!
I'm very glad about this fact!


Posted By: TDA-Audio
Date Posted: 17 June 2009 at 10:12pm
Quote 1w i assume?


sensitivity approximately...

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Posted By: TDA-Audio
Date Posted: 17 June 2009 at 10:17pm
mic not calibrated on sensitivity...

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Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 20 June 2009 at 10:42am
Wow, so the sensitivity is pretty high! Such a tapped horn construction gets more and more interesting... i think i will build some to Big smile

Did you have measured the 18" version to? Would be nice to see these plots as well!
How do they sound compared to an WSX/WLX?


Posted By: rich_gale
Date Posted: 22 June 2009 at 7:46pm
hi TDA.
 
please can you post up the plan for your 12" version?  id like to build one of these:)


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Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 22 June 2009 at 9:19pm
Originally posted by rich_gale rich_gale wrote:

hi TDA.
 
please can you post up the plan for your 12" version?  id like to build one of these:)


Here is the plan of the original Staiper Design (better known as TH Mini by Danley Sound Labs)
The only thing you have to do, is to reduce the cab high to 38/35cm (outer/inner dimension) and plug in the 12" instead the 15"... Wink

Original Staiper Design


Maybe my tapped horn alternatives to the TH Mini are also interesting for you...? Wink
http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/peshkov-sub--scoop--tapped--arls_topic27673.html

greez


Posted By: jethrocker
Date Posted: 23 June 2009 at 6:42am
What is the 15" driver used in the staiper design Ibex?


Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 23 June 2009 at 10:05am
Originally posted by jethrocker jethrocker wrote:

What is the 15" driver used in the staiper design Ibex?
 
I don't realy know what driver staiper is using in this design, but i'm sure that the B&C 15TBX100, which tom danley uses in his TH-115, will work quiet well in this cab... Wink
 
greez


Posted By: TDA-Audio
Date Posted: 23 June 2009 at 9:07pm
Quote Did you have measured the 18" version to? Would be nice to see these plots as well!
How do they sound compared to an WSX/WLX?


wsx and wlx(small brother) - monster sub

tapped horn - compromise size\efficiency

Quote What is the 15" driver used in the staiper design Ibex?


I am a 15 " version did not use...


Quote I don't realy know what driver staiper is using in this design, but i'm sure that the B&C 15TBX100, which tom danley uses in his TH-115, will work quiet well in this cab...


12nw100 - similar 12tbx100

other photo











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Posted By: wafflesomd
Date Posted: 24 June 2009 at 5:48am
Looks amazing.

If these are quality and worth the money, I just might build some.


Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 24 June 2009 at 8:09am
Originally posted by TDA-Audio TDA-Audio wrote:

Quote What is the 15" driver used in the staiper design Ibex?


I am a 15 " version did not use...

Quote I don't realy know what driver staiper is using in this design, but i'm sure that the B&C 15TBX100, which tom danley uses in his TH-115, will work quiet well in this cab...
 
 
TDA is right, the original Staiper Design is loaded with a 18" driver! Embarrassed
I'will go into the matter, maybe it's sufficient to resize the cab a little bit as TDA has done with his 12" version... Wink

Originally posted by TDA-Audio TDA-Audio wrote:

12nw100 - similar 12tbx100

 
Staiper Design by TDA - B&C 12TBX100 vs. B&C 12NW100 - SPL
black = B&C 12TBX100
grey = B&C 12NW100


Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 24 June 2009 at 8:15am
Originally posted by Ibex Ibex wrote:

Originally posted by TDA-Audio TDA-Audio wrote:

Quote What is the 15" driver used in the staiper design Ibex?


I am a 15 " version did not use...

Quote I don't realy know what driver staiper is using in this design, but i'm sure that the B&C 15TBX100, which tom danley uses in his TH-115, will work quiet well in this cab...
 
 
TDA is right, the original Staiper Design is loaded with a 18" driver! Embarrassed
I'will go into the matter, maybe it's sufficient to resize the cab a little bit as TDA has done with his 12" version... Wink

 
I think it's not nessesary to resize... Geek
 
Staiper Design - B&C 15TBX100 vs. B&C 18TBX100 - SPL
black = B&C 15TBX100
grey = B&C 18TBX100


Posted By: Deadbeat
Date Posted: 24 June 2009 at 4:48pm
Bigger speaker don't mean better, if you remember how the tapped horn works from the whitepapers (and look at TD's designs in speaker size as compared to volume etc).

Remember, if you do a quick search, it has been found on this and other forums that tapped horns are less efficient than they sim.


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Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 24 June 2009 at 9:23pm
Originally posted by Deadbeat Deadbeat wrote:


Remember, if you do a quick search, it has been found on this and other forums that tapped horns are less efficient than they sim.

Yes, I already read about something like that, but if we can trust the measurements of TDA, then the simulation has less sensitivity as measured... Confused
greez


Posted By: _djk_
Date Posted: 25 June 2009 at 2:34am

Some people at DIY audio have found their TH projects to measure more efficient than the simulations.

Some found less, but it is questionable as to whether they built it close to the design, and whether the construction was sound (one guy just screwed it together with no glue!).
 
The TH requires different drivers than what most people here are used to buying. A driver suited for a FLH will not do well in a TH design.


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Posted By: wafflesomd
Date Posted: 26 June 2009 at 7:02am
I slightly more comprehensive plan to the 12" would be wonderful.

Unless I'm dumb and can't seem to figure out what you mean by simply descreasing the cabinet height.  What about the internals?


Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 27 June 2009 at 10:41am
Originally posted by wafflesomd wafflesomd wrote:

I slightly more comprehensive plan to the 12" would be wonderful.

Unless I'm dumb and can't seem to figure out what you mean by simply descreasing the cabinet height.  What about the internals?


I know, the original staiper plan is not the most comprehensive.
You could import the picture with AutoCAD and measure each panel out.
Maybe I make a better plan with all the dimensions needed.
Outer dimensions of one 12" cab would be 800x600x380mm (18" version: 800x600x626mm)
greez


Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 27 June 2009 at 11:15am
Originally posted by _djk_ _djk_ wrote:

Some people at DIY audio have found their TH projects to measure more efficient than the simulations.

Some found less, but it is questionable as to whether they built it close to the design, and whether the construction was sound (one guy just screwed it together with no glue!).
 
The TH requires different drivers than what most people here are used to buying. A driver suited for a FLH will not do well in a TH design.


Hi _djk_,
what parameters would a th suited driver have? You made a version of a modified folded version of the stepped horn with the 12.00SW. Isn't the ciare the wrong driver for such a th construction, because of his peaky HR response? I made the experience that drivers with an heavy wighted cone have such mint response peaks.
All I know is, that fs of an th suited driver should be optimum 1.414 times higher than the cut-off frequency of the th design. Is there a optimum EBP for th drivers given?
Are simulations of a th design in combination with a non suited driver less consistent with the real measurements?
greez


Posted By: _djk_
Date Posted: 27 June 2009 at 9:50pm
"what parameters would a th suited driver have?"
 
 They seem to work better with higher Fs and mid-value Qts drivers. It seems as if the lower the Qts the closer the driver needs to be near the ends of the TH. I look for suitable T/S parameters and then plug the numbers into an AkAbak design and then juggle an existing design and see what happens.
 
"You made a version of a modified folded version of the stepped horn with the 12.00SW. Isn't the ciare the wrong driver for such a th construction, because of his peaky HR response?"
 
The design I did for the Ciare was tough to make reasonably flat, it's better suited to a bigger TH going much deeper than most people would need.
 
 "All I know is, that fs of an th suited driver should be optimum 1.414 times higher than the cut-off frequency of the th design. Is there a optimum EBP for th drivers given?"
 
The TH isn't really a horn in its normal operating passband. The EBP of the driver is only of interest to make sure the mass corner (2x the EBP) is above the desired HF cut-off point.
"Are simulations of a th design in combination with a non suited driver less consistent with the real measurements?"
 
Don't know, suspect the sims are reasonaly correct (as long as your build is correct).


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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 28 June 2009 at 2:03pm
Originally posted by Ibex Ibex wrote:

Originally posted by rich_gale rich_gale wrote:

hi TDA.
 
please can you post up the plan for your 12" version?  id like to build one of these:)


Here is the plan of the original Staiper Design (better known as TH Mini by Danley Sound Labs)
The only thing you have to do, is to reduce the cab high to 38/35cm (outer/inner dimension) and plug in the 12" instead the 15"... Wink

Original Staiper Design


Maybe my tapped horn alternatives to the TH Mini are also interesting for you...? Wink
http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/peshkov-sub--scoop--tapped--arls_topic27673.html

greez


I have been away for a few weeks so pardon me but, where is the original post where Stipe posted this plan?


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Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 28 June 2009 at 6:11pm
Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:


I have been away for a few weeks so pardon me but, where is the original post where Stipe posted this plan?


I have no idea, I'm also interested in the original post.
I have the plan from the following treads:
http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/staiper-design-for-learning-hornresp_topic24297.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=139136

greez



Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 30 June 2009 at 10:23am

_djk_, thanks for your answers!

I think I have to do a little research to see the differences. Maybe it's also necessary to learn how to use AkAbak...
Is it permissible to suggest that a driver which gives you a flat response in a th design automaticly sounds good in it? Does a driver suite as soon as you get a flat response?
How does a TH work in it's normal operating passband? ...more like a TML than a horn?


Posted By: TDA-Audio
Date Posted: 09 July 2009 at 6:07pm
sensitivity

Ciare = 105 db
B&C 12nw100 =103.8db


(49-52 hz) (x-linear soft+hardware)




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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 09 July 2009 at 7:10pm
That box is quite smaller than TH-115 and it is using bigger driver.Hmmm...

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Posted By: MrZuarth
Date Posted: 09 July 2009 at 8:31pm
Hello.

Tappe horn vs Tuba36, for live ,six for side.

I have speaker 12 kappa Lite LF, for diseng tuba36.

You are interesting diseng.... is more eficiency o more SPL at 1w-1mt ?Smile


Posted By: MrZuarth
Date Posted: 09 July 2009 at 8:34pm
Model speaker Kappa lite 15LF, i have twelve pieces....news


Posted By: MrZuarth
Date Posted: 13 July 2009 at 5:45pm
Hello .

Question. The speaker Kapa Lite 3015LF  is good tapped into the horn?

Thank Smile



Posted By: findbuddha
Date Posted: 14 July 2009 at 3:05pm
S1 and S2 are located incorrectly on that diagram :)


Posted By: TDA-Audio
Date Posted: 14 July 2009 at 5:50pm
skin my version...










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Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 14 July 2009 at 6:21pm
Originally posted by MrZuarth MrZuarth wrote:

Model speaker Kappa lite 15LF, i have twelve pieces....news


Staiper Design - Kappalite 3015LF vs. 18TBX100 - SPL
black = Staiper Tapped - Eminence Kappalite 3015LF
grey = Staiper Tapped - B&C 18TBX100


Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 14 July 2009 at 10:13pm
TDA, can you comment about the performance of those 18 tapped horns in comparison with the WSX and WLX?

Spasiba.


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Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 15 July 2009 at 9:17am
Originally posted by TDA-Audio TDA-Audio wrote:

Originally posted by Ibex Ibex wrote:

Did you have measured the 18" version to? Would be nice to see these plots as well!
How do they sound compared to an WSX/WLX?


wsx and wlx(small brother) - monster sub

tapped horn - compromise size\efficiency


Posted By: kiriiz
Date Posted: 15 July 2009 at 9:55am
TDA can you load your 12" with this driver

http://www.eighteensound.com/index.aspx?mainMenu=view_product&pid=257 - http://www.eighteensound.com/index.aspx?mainMenu=view_product&pid=257

They are available in Russia. Real alternative to ciare.

http://www.invask.ru/show/&id=1015658 - http://www.invask.ru/show/&id=1015658


Posted By: TDA-Audio
Date Posted: 15 July 2009 at 10:59am
Quote TDA can you load your 12" with this driver


not loaded...

Quote They are available in Russia. Real alternative to ciare.

http://www.invask.ru/show/&id=1015658


alternative- B&C 12tbx\nw100


18 sound - smoll BL . short v-coil

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Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 15 July 2009 at 1:19pm
Originally posted by kiriiz kiriiz wrote:

TDA can you load your 12" with this driver
 
Staiper Design by TDA - 12.00SW vs. 12NLW9300 - SPL
black = Staiper Tapped by TDA - 18Sound 12NLW9300
grey = Staiper Tapped by TDA - Ciare 12.00 SW


Posted By: kiriiz
Date Posted: 15 July 2009 at 1:25pm
Originally posted by Ibex Ibex wrote:

Originally posted by kiriiz kiriiz wrote:

TDA can you load your 12" with this driver
 
Staiper Design by TDA - 12.00SW vs. 12NLW9300 - SPL
black = Staiper Tapped by TDA - 18Sound 12NLW9300
grey = Staiper Tapped by TDA - Ciare 12.00 SW


BINGO! Clap


Posted By: TDA-Audio
Date Posted: 15 July 2009 at 3:11pm

Grafic for 2.83 volt

see graf  for 90volt.....



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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 15 July 2009 at 3:50pm
Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

TDA, can you comment about the performance of those 18 tapped horns in comparison with the WSX and WLX?

Spasiba.



TDA, are you ignoring me?

:-)


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Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 15 July 2009 at 6:57pm
Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

TDA, can you comment about the performance of those 18 tapped horns in comparison with the WSX and WLX?

Spasiba.



TDA, are you ignoring me?

:-)


Seems that TDA doesn't want to recur...
Maybe his comment, which I have reposted, is all he has to say bear on this topic...
http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19409&PID=285778&title=thmini-tapped-horn-by-danley-sound-labs#285778
greez


Posted By: TDA-Audio
Date Posted: 16 July 2009 at 1:38am
\\\\\\\TDA, are you ignoring me?\\\\\\\\\

no

wsx - big , very efficient cabinet...

tapped horn - compromise cab, having get prettier efficiency comparatively their own size... interesting 12" versions


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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 16 July 2009 at 12:35pm
TDA, that 18 tapped horn is smaller than Danleys TH115 which uses a 15 inch driver. Do you think that if you make it bigger (WSX dimension) it will match the wsx output?
Also i think that a single TH 18 will go lower than single wsx? What do you think.

You are free do describe them in Russian if it is easier for you and i will translate your comment to the others.


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Posted By: kiriiz
Date Posted: 16 July 2009 at 1:54pm
On my opinion tapped horns of the same dimensions will never achieve folded horns output, because they are not so efficient as wsx, because of their construction. The only reason to build tapped horns is that they are more efficient for their size then ported enclosures for example and not so hard to build.


Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 16 July 2009 at 9:27pm
IMHO:
- Tapped horns are more efficient than ported enclosures but not as efficient as FLH.
- Tapped horns and ported enclosures will have a lower cut-off frequency than FLH.
- FLH will have a benefit of stacking, while tapped horns and ported enclosures work in stand-alone use as well.

cheers


Posted By: MrZuarth
Date Posted: 23 July 2009 at 3:09pm
This is plan is good for Eminence 3015LF ?

tHANKS TDA-AUDIO!
Very nice disegn.Smile




Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 23 July 2009 at 6:10pm
This design will have a huge dip it the 90-100Hz region. Just like the scoops have.
Danley's boxes dont have a front chamber in order to get the response better in the higher frequencies.


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Posted By: mmetro1990
Date Posted: 01 August 2009 at 5:11am
How wide would you have to make th-mini for a 15 in driver lets say B&C15TBX100. Would i just make the box slightly wider than the driver so inside dimensions about 16in/406mm and outside dimensions 17.5in/445mm or am I going about this all wrong?


Posted By: audionik
Date Posted: 11 August 2009 at 3:28am
Originally posted by TDA-Audio TDA-Audio wrote:

Quote How are the results in comb. with the NEXO LS1200 sub??
Does it goes louder and deeper??
 
LS1200 vs TH 12"
 
12" 48hz -6 db.
ls-1200  32hz -6db
 
 

pressure

th-12" vs LS1200 (street)
 
for 1 m - ls1200 more pressure
but 15-20m - TH-12" vs Ls1200 -  approximately equally pressure..
 


And what about the combination of the two together?  Phase problems?

By.


Posted By: Glenn
Date Posted: 29 August 2009 at 4:20am
Originally posted by Ibex Ibex wrote:

Originally posted by TDA-Audio TDA-Audio wrote:

 
18" version - full still Staip
 
and 18"
18lw1400
18tbx100
 
18" cabs  - good pressure, but big weight.. (for 18tbx100).
18lw1400 - no good work..
 


TDA, i'm not able to reconstruct what you said, my results are nearly congruent with both drivers...
Confused

Staiper Design - B&C 18TBX100 - Hornresponse Input Data
Staiper Design - 18Sound 18LW1400 vs. B&C 18TBX100 - SPL
black = 18Sound 18LW1400
grey = B&C 18TBX100

Sorry this was over two months ago...  but

I have also noticed a similar thing aswell on this forum for other cabinets. As you have shown the 18lw1400 models the same as the 18tbx100 - yet TDA comments that the 18lw1400 does not sound as good as the 18tbx100.

Levyte (I think) has found the same with scoops - 18lw1400 not performing as well. And also in the HB1805C1 selenium horn someone moved from the 18lw1400 to a Beyma 18G550 and said performance was much better with the Beyma. The beyma also models the same, no different.

For some reason the 18LW1400 does not like horn loading. If anyone has an explanation I would like to know. Weaker cone.....? I really don't know. The 18LW1400 is very highly acclaimed in reflex cabs, just ask Chris Harden (ceharden).


Posted By: snowflake
Date Posted: 01 September 2009 at 11:15am
Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

This design will have a huge dip it the 90-100Hz region. Just like the scoops have.
Danley's boxes dont have a front chamber in order to get the response better in the higher frequencies.
 
a correctly sized front chamber will extend the high response and roll off more quickly above this. also a front chamber will extend the low response. from looking I would say the main thing wrong with the design above is the horn expansion is too fast at the throat and too slow near the mouth.


Posted By: kiriiz
Date Posted: 04 September 2009 at 12:25pm
Hello TDA! Have you tested your 12" tapped horn in a car? What do you think?


Posted By: snowflake
Date Posted: 05 September 2009 at 12:17pm
Originally posted by snowflake snowflake wrote:

Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

This design will have a huge dip it the 90-100Hz region. Just like the scoops have.
Danley's boxes dont have a front chamber in order to get the response better in the higher frequencies.
 
a correctly sized front chamber will extend the high response and roll off more quickly above this. also a front chamber will extend the low response. from looking I would say the main thing wrong with the design above is the horn expansion is too fast at the throat and too slow near the mouth.


using an 18" driver I would go for a much longer horn length and aim to get down to 30-35Hz. I've got a folding figured for this but waiting to get new laptop before i can CAD draw it.


Posted By: TDA-Audio
Date Posted: 05 September 2009 at 7:27pm
Hello TDA! Have you tested your 12" tapped horn in a car? What do you think?\\\\\\\\\\\

146 db for ciare 1200sw car version
140 db for p-audio p130 LF

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Posted By: bardou
Date Posted: 06 September 2009 at 7:43pm
http://www.freespeakerplans.com/mth-30.html - http://www.freespeakerplans.com/mth-30.html


Posted By: kiriiz
Date Posted: 07 September 2009 at 5:45pm
What about 15'' version?

Could it be a compromise between 12 and 18 inch drivers? What do you think about the plots?


Posted By: mmetro1990
Date Posted: 08 September 2009 at 8:27pm
Thats what I was wondering,  I think the 15in would be a good compramise. A B&Ctbx100 would work well I guess.  I don't know how to resize the box.  But since tappered horns dont depend too much on volume I'm guessing just large enough for the driver to fit in but don't take my word for it but I'm sure some of the others on this forum will chime in.Wink


Posted By: Ibex
Date Posted: 09 September 2009 at 4:33am
Originally posted by Ibex Ibex wrote:

Originally posted by Ibex Ibex wrote:

Originally posted by TDA-Audio TDA-Audio wrote:

Quote What is the 15" driver used in the staiper design Ibex?


I am a 15 " version did not use...

Quote I don't realy know what driver staiper is using in this design, but i'm sure that the B&C 15TBX100, which tom danley uses in his TH-115, will work quiet well in this cab...
 
 
TDA is right, the original Staiper Design is loaded with a 18" driver! Embarrassed
I'will go into the matter, maybe it's sufficient to resize the cab a little bit as TDA has done with his 12" version... Wink

 
I think it's not nessesary to resize... Geek
 
Staiper Design - B&C 15TBX100 vs. B&C 18TBX100 - SPL
black = B&C 15TBX100
grey = B&C 18TBX100


Posted By: bitzo
Date Posted: 09 September 2009 at 10:14am
try with b&c 15ps40 instead of 15tbx100

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Posted By: Teunos
Date Posted: 13 September 2009 at 11:49am
Originally posted by Ibex Ibex wrote:



 
I think it's not nessesary to resize... Geek
 
Staiper Design - B&C 15TBX100 vs. B&C 18TBX100 - SPL
black = B&C 15TBX100
grey = B&C 18TBX100


Hey Ibex, what input parameters did you use to get this result, cause if i work out all parameters in sketchup with the original measurements in staiper's plan i get completely different results.Confused(just wanted to check because your plot for tbx100 looks way better than mineLOL)


Never mind, found my flaw.




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Posted By: Teunos
Date Posted: 15 September 2009 at 6:23pm
While we are at it anyway,
JBL 2226H, B&C 15PL100 as well as RCF L15S800 model very well in this cab! i.e. straight 49-300Hz at 111.5db (4cabs) and -3db points at 46 and 310Hz. not bad for a cab only measuring 80*60*60


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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 15 September 2009 at 7:55pm
I dont see a point of making a tapped horn sub if it go just down to 49Hz. Punishers goes lower in a group of 4.

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Posted By: Amano
Date Posted: 15 September 2009 at 8:43pm
I think TH-mini will sounds like SCOOP with smaller throat area and throat chamber... You can model them like scoops...


Posted By: Teunos
Date Posted: 16 September 2009 at 6:29pm
Maybe some people don't want Subbass monster cabs but just like the sounds of them. Looking at horn arrangement, group delay, and from listening comparisons, I can tell TH's sound like scoops except for the fact that they aren't very slow like a typical scoop in the higher bass regions. So they can be used higher and used as a one box bass solution for those who don't just want Subbass.
Then again, Look at this plot.
Grey is microscooper, black is TH by TDA Audio, both loaded with the same driver.
I know which one i would choose.



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Posted By: streetsounds
Date Posted: 17 September 2009 at 3:58pm
How would this be compared with the Titan 48 and punisher?

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Posted By: 510
Date Posted: 22 September 2009 at 10:48pm
i built the single 12 horn sub over the week end here in jamaica using the 18sound 12, box sounds good has a wicked 60hz and plays much lower than i had expected


Posted By: opus
Date Posted: 22 September 2009 at 10:53pm
Originally posted by 510 510 wrote:

i built the single 12 horn sub over the week end here in jamaica using the 18sound 12, box sounds good has a wicked 60hz and plays much lower than i had expected

Any pics? Tried it outdoors?

Cheers!


Posted By: 510
Date Posted: 22 September 2009 at 11:09pm
yes all test were done out side ,going to build the second one this week end, test were done with a small adcom amp gfa555 the whole place was full of sound very impressive, i had some mt2 ev subs and these were to heavy so this is the answer.


Posted By: skippyboy
Date Posted: 27 September 2009 at 9:29am
Pics would be nice, i would like to have a crack them myself.
Rob


Posted By: DRUMSZ
Date Posted: 10 October 2009 at 7:24pm
Hi all how about the eminence lab12 have 2 need a home


Posted By: _djk_
Date Posted: 10 October 2009 at 9:29pm
The Lab 12 driver makes an excellent TH driver if you need 18hz~20hz extension and about 95dB in 2Pi.

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Posted By: DRUMSZ
Date Posted: 10 October 2009 at 10:26pm
GREAT !!!!
Thankz  what if i bumped it to 20 inch wide bad ??


Posted By: _djk_
Date Posted: 12 October 2009 at 10:07pm
http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/tapped_horn.asp?MODEL=DTS%2020 - http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/tapped_horn.asp?MODEL=DTS%2020

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Posted By: DRUMSZ
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 12:03am
WoW that thing is massive
sorry its been so long as far as the last post

Hey djk i have got some plans set up kida mix between yours and the staiper one
just want to confirm the lab12 will work in a pro situation im thinking two at center stage and two jbl 18 one per side aproximently 12 feet from center..????
p.s. ya got some nice stuff on your site


Posted By: _djk_
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 8:53am
The Lab 12 woofer will work in a TH design, but will only be about 95dB/W and is best when tuned below 20hz.

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