Battle of the scoop kick bins
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Topic: Battle of the scoop kick bins
Posted By: YoungBlood
Subject: Battle of the scoop kick bins
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 1:58am
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Must choose double driver cab to go over scoops real soon, and just cant decide. 2x18 reflex :  Does 60hz-200hz No problem, clean, flat sound, no horn honk business Can do sub in small venues/house party, Not as good for kick outside USB:
Advantages:Will do 60-170 depending on driver, sexy looking cab Will be real good outside; Disadvantages:Can only do kick,expensive to buy and load, heavy HD215  Faster , more accurate than 2x18 cab, lighter than 2x18 Cant do sub, very hard to find used. Didnt mention ES18BPH as 2x on their side is too wide for scoops, and I personally think it is too high standing up. ------------- "chyll wynstan.." |
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Posted By: wafflesomd
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 4:31am
| I'd go for USB's. |
Posted By: biotec
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 9:41am
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Look at the martin 215 mkII plan that HBL drew up. In my opinion the only suitable bin on your list would be the USB and I think the martin cab would do the job better. ------------- me so horny, me love you long throw. |
Posted By: Marios
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 9:59am
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We use HD215 above our Hogs, they kick like mules. I havent heard the USB yet so i cant comment on that. I have heard the Martin 215s though and they rock. A bit massive though.
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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 12:59pm
This requirement really does come down to personal taste/music & type of crowds you're playing to.
"Most" systems using scoops are playing dancehall/rnb/dub.
Typical crowds at these events dont want the decapitating kick of Martin 215, they want to feel the scoop, but hear the kick.
For years Soundsystems have used 2x15 reflex, and it does the job well even in large venues. However hornloaded designs mean less drivers, less power, but more expensive cabinets.
I have the same decision to make, but due to cost and financial climate, I'll either be going for HD215 or 2x18 reflex. The 2x18 reflex also doubles up nicely as a sub for christmas house parties.  ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
biotec wrote:Posted By: rich, ind.st
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 1:31pm
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they just dont know they're missing the decapitating kick of the 215:)
------------- music is god |
Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 1:32pm
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in that second picture, the handles are upside down lev, you took the words right out of my mouth you don't want it taking your head off, 2 x 15'' reflex all day long, tune them to say 70hz, job done tune them to 50 and you could do house parties with them ------------- ......just all them hanging there like giant bananas. |
Posted By: simo69
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 1:38pm
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I cannot see the HD215 for some reason.. anyone have a another picture?
Who make the HD215?
I Fancy a pair..
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Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 1:51pm
This stack (below) was kicking very hard the other day, but what I noticed at the time that it wasn't too high!
 but it was noticeable that the real low sub were missing!
------------- **Heavy Weight-Line** A home without books is like a body with no soul. |
Posted By: Autograff
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 2:46pm
| HD's seem as if they were born to go over scoops |
Posted By: (SoundcreationaudiO)
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 4:26pm
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USB's aint that musical, great for dance music mind.... id go for a double es-18, or singles to be honest.. ------------- |
Posted By: login4
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 5:14pm
or my dual 15" jbl 2226 loaded reflex cabs im selling, they kick like mules, 
------------- CELTIC SUBSONIC SOUND SYSTEMS |
Posted By: Calculus
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 6:23pm
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My piramid horns seem to work well over scoops... i tuned them to about 80hz... 15" fane drivers. building two more soon. http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=20434&PN=1 |
Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 6:24pm
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why not use a smaller scoop ------------- Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners. |
Posted By: Calculus
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 6:28pm
| smaller scoop aint really necessry for that frequency range... no need for a long horn really |
Posted By: snowflake
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 6:42pm
| anyone tried a ported horn for kick? have been playing round with a 2*12" design to do 80-300Hz but it is a long way from prototype still |
Posted By: Calculus
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 6:48pm
| mykey has made 15" ported horns for kcik above scoops theres some photos somewhere/ |
Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 7:15pm
Why would you want a ported horn for kick!? it would be harder to match the kick and sub up, and you dont need a massive horn for 80Hz. Unless you mean some sort of cunning port-in-throat design.....
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Posted By: Deadbeat
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 7:23pm
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A ported horn would be useful so it could be used without scoops on it's own for different events. If designed in relation with the scoops, we could look at port output vs horn output vs phase difference ------------- Away on extended leave. |
Posted By: heinrich
Date Posted: 02 December 2008 at 1:44am
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an F1 215 maybe a good choice above scoops..  ------------- .....power is nothing without control.... |
Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 02 December 2008 at 3:49am
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it's only a short horn jake f
http://www.speakerplans.com/index.php?id=myplay_022"> ![[Click to enlarge image]](http://www.speakerplans.com/photos/tn_768.jpg "[Click to enlarge image]") ------------- ......just all them hanging there like giant bananas. |
Posted By: bitzo
Date Posted: 02 December 2008 at 8:36am
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what about folded horn for kick on scoops? or ev eliminator/mt115 style cabinet |
Posted By: Static Age
Date Posted: 02 December 2008 at 10:02am
It all depends on what scoops you have..
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Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 02 December 2008 at 10:26am
------------- **Heavy Weight-Line** A home without books is like a body with no soul. |
Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 02 December 2008 at 10:34am
15's or 18's ?
If 18's, which you reckon would be better sounding above scoops! 186's or 1850's ?
Would you say these folded horns above some RX18's in the below pic are too narrow for the scoops ?
http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://www.imageshack.us/">
 ------------- **Heavy Weight-Line** A home without books is like a body with no soul. |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 02 December 2008 at 10:41am
Static you're cheating mate !!!
Those scoops are a little wider than most, and there is a little gap in between them...
However set does look very neat. ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: (SoundcreationaudiO)
Date Posted: 02 December 2008 at 10:45am
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what about some of these....
http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2179&PN=392 - http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2179&PN=392
boldsystems seems well happy with them... 18" bandpass horn kick bin
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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 02 December 2008 at 10:58am
Seems a bit huge mate. I guess the ideal would be USB size, with ES18 performance, which wont happen, unless custom driver is used. Do people think 2x18 reflex with PD186/XB/Celestion would out do HD215 with PD154 @ 70-180 inside and out? ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: (SoundcreationaudiO)
Date Posted: 02 December 2008 at 11:02am
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think the size is 552 wide, 580high, 750mm deep... grills with 20mm foam fronts ------------- |
Posted By: YoungBlood
Date Posted: 02 December 2008 at 11:09am
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Much thanks for all the feedback. Seems finances will be choosing which cab I go with, as it must be usable as sub with smaller gigs as well. So I guess I'm going for Gsubs or 1x18 cubes. Probably loaded with PD186/XB/18PS100. Thanks again people. ------------- "chyll wynstan.." |
Posted By: billso
Date Posted: 02 December 2008 at 11:45am
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Do people think 2x18 reflex with PD186/XB/Celestion would out do HD215 with PD154 @ 70-180 inside and out? [/QUOTE] HD215 would be 3 - 5 db louder in that pass band.
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Posted By: Static Age
Date Posted: 02 December 2008 at 12:07pm
The scoops are quite wide. The gap is caused because those scoops are pretty much flightcased & they have fittings on the sides which alow them to interlock when stacking.
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Posted By: Dub Defector
Date Posted: 02 December 2008 at 2:31pm
i was thinking the same thing and people had some opinions here: http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=21086 - http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=21086 ------------- Rough Every Time... http://www.dubselector.co.uk - http://www.dubselector.co.uk |
Posted By: bitzo
Date Posted: 02 December 2008 at 3:27pm
folded horn with 15' path lenght 100 cm 18' are reserved for scoops ;) |
Posted By: smithers
Date Posted: 03 December 2008 at 1:08pm
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i'd take the pepsi challange against most kick bins with my Pd186 loaded ES18's. 600mm wide to stack nice and neat on top of our Hogs.
we used to own a G sub which we used over our scoops, and i'm confident in saying 1 ES18 would destroy a double 18 G sub @ 80-180hz easily |
Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 03 December 2008 at 7:54pm
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=79710244&albumID=369084&imageID=12220183#a=369084&i=12220194"> ------------- Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners. |
Posted By: Calculus
Date Posted: 03 December 2008 at 7:57pm
| thats a well tastey lookin system... who's is that? |
Posted By: Dub Defector
Date Posted: 03 December 2008 at 8:10pm
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His Majesty Sound System! ------------- Rough Every Time... http://www.dubselector.co.uk - http://www.dubselector.co.uk |
Posted By: Dub Defector
Date Posted: 03 December 2008 at 8:20pm
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Where can i find plans for the ES18BPH? ------------- Rough Every Time... http://www.dubselector.co.uk - http://www.dubselector.co.uk |
Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 03 December 2008 at 8:21pm
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bs1200 is a nice kick bin ------------- Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners. |
Posted By: boldsystems
Date Posted: 03 December 2008 at 11:05pm
38kg to, Nice & easy one man lift & 1500w Prog :) |
Posted By: Bespoke
Date Posted: 04 December 2008 at 8:38pm
The above is only a bit bigger than a USB.... 45Hz - 130Hz and like boldsystem said 1500w prog using Neo driver. You can run them at 1000w all day long  ------------- Gone |
Posted By: Static Age
Date Posted: 04 December 2008 at 11:00pm
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sounds like a good compact bass cab but not really an ideal kick bin though, most want a cab to go above subs that gets to 160hz+ bearing in mind ES18 & HD15 can be used to 180hz with the right drivers & the turbo stuff will get upto 250 hz. -------------
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Posted By: Bespoke
Date Posted: 04 December 2008 at 11:27pm
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Sorry i ment boldsystems runs his from 45Hz - 130Hz - they will run from 45Hz - 170Hz we have tried them a bit highter but it starts to sound a bit harsh. Prob due to the neo driver as when tried them with a PD186 it played up to 190Hz with no probs.
The mid-highs we make run down to 90Hz if needed so these bins work perfect with them. Everything Neo loaded as weight & power is our key point ------------- Gone |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 04 December 2008 at 11:42pm
Flippin' Bespoke... I'm trying to keep dosh in the little piggy, and you go making statements like that.  ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: Bespoke
Date Posted: 05 December 2008 at 12:31am
 sorry mate ------------- Gone |
Posted By: snowflake
Date Posted: 05 December 2008 at 1:38am
a straight horn with a ported rear chamber could go below 80Hz and would be more compact and play higher than a FLH which would probably have to be folded. and less excursion for same output. |
Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 30 March 2009 at 10:37am
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this would be perfect for you youngblood, 2 x 12''
as you can see, a small cab and made with 15mm
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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 30 March 2009 at 10:42am
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Posted By: YoungBlood
Date Posted: 30 March 2009 at 10:53am
I'm going for IHD18, look like perfect scoop kick bin. Celestion or PD186 I'm going to use. ------------- "chyll wynstan.." |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 30 March 2009 at 11:00am
I can sell you 6x PD186 that need reconing for approx £40 each. Can be reconed in London for about £100 (call champion) ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 30 March 2009 at 11:39am
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usb grey
2 x 12 black
http://img8.imageshack.us/my.php?image=youngbloods.jpg">  ------------- ......just all them hanging there like giant bananas. |
Posted By: LjudLahger
Date Posted: 30 March 2009 at 4:28pm
2 x 15" I have done...  |
Posted By: Akid-sound
Date Posted: 01 April 2009 at 9:37pm
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lev, ill take 4 of those recones. how much to ship them up to sheffield? ------------- here piggy piggy piggy...... |
Posted By: studio45
Date Posted: 01 April 2009 at 10:30pm
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Are you going to get them reconed or are they going to join sks-01's pile of doom though!! Can anyone sell some poor speaker planners 7x 186 recone kits cheap? so i can get some workshop space back!!! ------------- Studio45 - Repairs & Building Commotion Soundsystem -Mobile PA |
Posted By: sKs01
Date Posted: 01 April 2009 at 11:16pm
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7? you gone and blown all the survivors too then? hopefully the kitty will have enough £'s in to afford all the recones we need next week (ish) then need to go get some mdf for a 2*15 to add to the workshop sterio. ------------- You're a big man, but you're in bad shape. With me it's a full time job. Now behave yourself. |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 01 April 2009 at 11:26pm
Already sold mate. Went same day they were advertised. ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: bitzo
Date Posted: 02 April 2009 at 8:42am
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so...there are many different "horny" choice in half scoop dimension (about 60x60x80) bph 1x15" bph 1x18" rlh 2x12" short throw horn opnions? |
Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 02 April 2009 at 10:10am
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straight horn, selenium lol ------------- me so horny me love you long throw horn loaded for her pleasure |
Posted By: bitzo
Date Posted: 02 April 2009 at 10:36am
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or jbl4512 or eminence ported midbass or martin 215 mk1 or fane 2x12 etc..etc.. ;P however what is the best characteristics of each layout listed in my last post? |
Posted By: killawatts
Date Posted: 02 April 2009 at 10:55am
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Im building two USB's to sit over 4 superscoopers (then HOGs) pretty soon (when I have cash for wood) as I luckily have 4 pd186s at my disposal. Im reckoning the USB provides a flexible solution depending on what you play. Usually I DJ roots/dub/steppas/dubstep alongside my 2 partners in grime who are D'N'B and jungle mentalists, and I personally think that having a strong mid-bass range (80-200hz) is essential for this type of music, especially the darker side of things that we all lean to. The thing is in the group of mates I know who DJ, alot of them play electro, techno, gabba and breakcore and upon asking them they are mad for a prominent kick. I feel that if you need flexibility from your system, and the ability to use scoops for a wide range of predominently dance music then something like a USB, IHD18's or HD15's are the choice to go for. However, if you are exclusively a roots/dub sound and the need for 'tighter' midbass region is lesser, then G-subs, other reflex solutions and straight horns will do nice. In my humble opinion anyway.... |
Posted By: fuzzylogic
Date Posted: 02 April 2009 at 12:04pm
Been reading this thread for a while now and just realised that I have had the answer all along!If you want the ultimate destruction that is,go Martin 115 over Hogs.Hope this clears the matter up! 
Excuse the dodgy picture but you get the idea. P.S. does anyone know where to buy metal dustcaps? ------------- NEIGHBOURHOOD SOUNDSYSTEM Infinitely baffled. |
Posted By: bitzo
Date Posted: 02 April 2009 at 12:16pm
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why martin 115 is so good in your opinion? and what is a good kick cab behaviour in your opinion? |
Posted By: fuzzylogic
Date Posted: 02 April 2009 at 1:14pm
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I think Rog described them best...'The Martin 115 sounds like there is a very large man hitting the back of the cab with a sledgehammer'.
They have a real tight punchy sound that kicks you in the bollocks! ------------- NEIGHBOURHOOD SOUNDSYSTEM Infinitely baffled. |
Posted By: bitzo
Date Posted: 02 April 2009 at 1:31pm
| I'm proud owner and builder of that cab :P but is pretty large. |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 02 April 2009 at 1:34pm
PD186/JBL loaded IHD18s/ES18 BPH Will 'ave Martin 115s mate, and are smaller. ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: Static Age
Date Posted: 02 April 2009 at 1:40pm
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I love the old Martin 115 but you can fit alot more ES18/IHD18's in a van than 115's.
the odd shape makes packing 115's for transport a real pain.
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Posted By: fuzzylogic
Date Posted: 02 April 2009 at 2:33pm
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I have yet to hear the ES18.I have been eying up the USB/ES18,look pretty easy to build and I just so happen to have some JBLs and PD186s lying around.
Still want to compare them against my Novasounds before I start to make sawdust.But even the Novas are a bit big,mind you they are very rude.  ------------- NEIGHBOURHOOD SOUNDSYSTEM Infinitely baffled. |
Posted By: bitzo
Date Posted: 02 April 2009 at 2:36pm
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that's why I planned and built other 2 kick folded horn 15" loaded, the main issue was keep in phase the 3 cabs. And now it's a pain to stack togheter. |
Posted By: biotec
Date Posted: 02 April 2009 at 4:43pm
your having a laugh mate!
I've heard both in numerous configurations on numerous occasions.
the 115 has brutal kick when loaded with a decent driver, it'll munch the USB for breakfast but then it's about 4 times the size so it bloody well should!
It's not a clean sound, but its scarily loud and painfully hard. You should have a listen to a load of them if you get the chance.
------------- me so horny, me love you long throw. |
Posted By: simo69
Date Posted: 02 April 2009 at 4:52pm
| Any of you got any pictures or plans of this 115 bin?? |
Posted By: fuzzylogic
Date Posted: 02 April 2009 at 4:59pm
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Yeah,you tell him Biotech!
------------- NEIGHBOURHOOD SOUNDSYSTEM Infinitely baffled. |
Posted By: twinypaul
Date Posted: 02 April 2009 at 8:43pm
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yea 115s are kings ------------- paul |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 02 April 2009 at 8:57pm
Ok, but they look proper old. 4x scoops, 3x IHD18s on top, 2x MT121s on top, stack done. This thread answered I think. ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: fuzzylogic
Date Posted: 02 April 2009 at 10:08pm
On the contrary old chap,they are timeless and still look f**king menacing.Pure evil. ------------- NEIGHBOURHOOD SOUNDSYSTEM Infinitely baffled. |
Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 02 April 2009 at 10:15pm
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they would sound sh*te for dub i think
and be awkward to move
AND only 2 cabs max would be used at a time
... computer says no.
BS1200 & BS500 still the kings! ------------- Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners. |
Posted By: fuzzylogic
Date Posted: 02 April 2009 at 10:33pm
I'd say its a draw. ------------- NEIGHBOURHOOD SOUNDSYSTEM Infinitely baffled. |
Posted By: fuzzylogic
Date Posted: 02 April 2009 at 10:49pm
If you do a search you should find the plans,there around here somewhere! They're the bins under the tops(Martin H350s) in the pic i posted a page back. ------------- NEIGHBOURHOOD SOUNDSYSTEM Infinitely baffled. |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 02 April 2009 at 11:05pm
I thought they were the building in the background !!! Just kidding, I know the Martin 115s are stink. Way back in the day, I used to nearly get decapitated once a month in Borderline club, just of Charing X Road, on Hip Hop night. 115s hanging from the Ceiling like bats. ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 03 April 2009 at 12:08am
have you still got the 6 million 115 cabs at your house Rupe? why not plug them all in and tell us how they sound with hogs ------------- Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners. |
Posted By: bitzo
Date Posted: 03 April 2009 at 8:35am
| time to a kick cab contest? |
Posted By: fuzzylogic
Date Posted: 03 April 2009 at 8:41am
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Now that is a good idea!
@Heathy ,yes I do still have all six million. 
Like I said used four 115s with 2 hogs last weekend and it was intense! Once we set the delays on the ultradrive the whole thing sounded mental. ------------- NEIGHBOURHOOD SOUNDSYSTEM Infinitely baffled. |
Posted By: Static Age
Date Posted: 03 April 2009 at 10:19am
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just to throw another into the mix.... I have said many times before if transport was not an issue then I would choose Martin 215MKII/ASS215 every time. Hard as nails & I guess it because the horn is virtually straight that it has such a nice sound. A kick cab contest would be great, I have found that the ES18 works best in a minimum of four cabs. I could bring my four as well as some amps ect if the venue wasn't too far. -------------
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Posted By: biotec
Date Posted: 03 April 2009 at 10:58am
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I' be glad to bring my self designed and built straight kick horns although given that I'm one of only two people on the planet with subs deep enough for them to sit on, I can't see them gaining many fans!
------------- me so horny, me love you long throw. |
Posted By: YoungBlood
Date Posted: 03 April 2009 at 11:53am
Bwoy, looks like this thread grow into a beast...  Was talking to mixture of PA man dem and old soundman. They agree the martin box/FK1 218/ASS is kick cab dons of all time, but martin cab too big for use on top of scoop, and y too much for playing the kind of music people use scoops for. They tell me depending on budget the best 3 options for "my needs", is each scoop should have ... 1. 1x IHD18 or 1/2 USB (They were really excited about this) 2. 1x HD15 (Must have good PD or JBL driver, ) 3. 1x 15" reflex- They say Eminence Kappa will be fine for this They also suggest better to get single driver cabs, so is easier to lift and transport, and more flexible setups, if you only need 2x kick cab over 3x scoops. ------------- "chyll wynstan.." |
Posted By: sKs01
Date Posted: 03 April 2009 at 7:08pm
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4 (kick)-6(scoop) ratio too low then by all acounts, curently using 2-4 ratio with 15" but a tmax 1200 loaded cows a whole different kettle of beef. if any kick cab penalty shootout occurs their 4 186 loaded es18's here but then that seems like the most common iteration their is. ------------- You're a big man, but you're in bad shape. With me it's a full time job. Now behave yourself. |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 03 April 2009 at 7:20pm
I reckon for a single stack of 6x scoops, 4x 18"/15" BPH type cabs is well sufficient inside/out. For reflex kick, I reckon 1-1 ratio would be needed. Personally for 4x scoop stack I would go for 3x 18" BPH type horns. ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: tweeter box
Date Posted: 04 April 2009 at 1:49pm
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personally i think the ratio wwhould be;
4 scoops (18") with 3 kicks ontop (15") ------------- PRECISION SOUND SYSTEM. Feeding the peoples needs for Roots Music. Strictly premium grade reggae and dub steppers from the early 70's to present day. |
Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 04 April 2009 at 2:27pm
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2/3 scoops and my new SKC 2 x 12''
pics up in a few days ------------- ......just all them hanging there like giant bananas. |
Posted By: bitzo
Date Posted: 06 April 2009 at 11:47am
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so....for 4 scoops 18" loaded with an spl >110 db (but <115 db) @ 1w 1m, would it be nice a similar value for all the kick section? |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 06 April 2009 at 11:56am
For any 4x scoops, 3x of the following would easily keep up, loaded with Celestion FTR/PD186, a)IHD18s, b)ES18BPH c)HD15s loaded with Kappa 15A/LF/Pro On the cheap side, 2x 2x15s loaded with Eminence Kappa would also do it. ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: bitzo
Date Posted: 06 April 2009 at 1:54pm
a b c are bandpass horn...in your opinion a scoop kick section should be better a bandpass horn than other type of cab?
folded horn or straight horn or reflex? |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 06 April 2009 at 2:00pm
These just happen to be free, easy to build designs, that are tried and tested with 18" scoops.
Reflex. ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 06 April 2009 at 3:14pm
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pics up soon
tested the 2 x 12'' today
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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 09 April 2009 at 3:00pm
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2 x 12'' so pleased with this
crossed over @75 and up (full range)
I'll start its own thread once its painted and grilled up and tell you more about my findings
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Posted By: RiddimKid
Date Posted: 09 April 2009 at 3:08pm
Wow Mykey 
Looks very weird, wicked but weird. 2090 style box
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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 09 April 2009 at 3:15pm
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Cheers Riddim
bit retro I think?
2 x 1 meter horns either side of the 12's
and as you can see in the last picture the handle is on the top and bottom
with 2 neo drivers and the 15mm I used, this is a one man lift
so on top of a scoop, this would be a 2 box 3 way system
and optional pole mount on top for the XT8 horn for 4 way ------------- ......just all them hanging there like giant bananas. |
Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 09 April 2009 at 3:25pm
| Is that not a little fiddly to plug a Speakon cable into? |
Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 09 April 2009 at 3:28pm
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no , thats a 100mm gap toast and then gets wider to 130mm
the cab is trapezoidal also ------------- ......just all them hanging there like giant bananas. |
Posted By: Botabaixo
Date Posted: 09 April 2009 at 3:29pm
| How it sounds? |