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Topic: 10,000 watt macro tech
Posted By: samson
Subject: 10,000 watt macro tech
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 12:20am
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Hi guys came accros this picture of a 10,000watt macro tech amp..
 
Is this a picture of a prototype? Or maybe a failed attemp by crown to build such a beast?
 
Must weigh a ton if a prototype does existShocked
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: cilla.scope
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 12:53am
http://www.crownaudio.com/pdf/legacy/k10684.pdf - http://www.crownaudio.com/pdf/legacy/k10684.pdf

seems it was intended for stadium use ... down into 0.5R   .. but otherwise, not particularly powerfu.. especially when you consider the 10,000 watts was only for a single cycle of 1khz .. was down to 6K for a 40ms burst .. RMS was probaly 3K  or so ...

I think I saw one of these driving a vibration test rig once ...





Posted By: studio45
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 1:21am
they were a full production item but presumably not many were sold, remember Crown, Amcron and AE Techron are the same company but AE T. specialise in medical equipment ie MRI scanner coil drivers- that's probably the genesis of this unit. Output current capability more impressive than voltage so works best on v. low impedance loads. 
8x PD1850's hanging off this thing would be saying plenty i reckon! 


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Posted By: ceharden
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 1:37am
It's impressively large but the Crest 10001 is more impressive in terms of power output.


Posted By: Elliot Thompson
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 1:44am
The Crown Macro-Tech 10,000 requires 3-Phase 208 volts in order to operate. Who is moving about with that type of voltage.

It is the main reason why it never caught on in the States. There is a shop in New York that has one for display purposes.

Best Regards,

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Elliot Thompson


Posted By: colint
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 5:15am
Originally posted by studio45 studio45 wrote:

they were a full production item but presumably not many were sold, remember Crown, Amcron and AE Techron are the same company but AE T. specialise in medical equipment ie MRI scanner coil drivers- that's probably the genesis of this unit. Output current capability more impressive than voltage so works best on v. low impedance loads. 
8x PD1850's hanging off this thing would be saying plenty i reckon! 
 
So would your back tryiny to move it? I saw one of these at one of the plasa shows on the shuttlesound stand (display only)
it was huge, they said one was installed at of of the usa motor race tracks powering 64 bose 802's?


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Posted By: DjMidKnight
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 5:46am
Originally posted by Elliot Thompson Elliot Thompson wrote:

The Crown Macro-Tech 10,000 requires 3-Phase 208 volts in order to operate. Who is moving about with that type of voltage.

It is the main reason why it never caught on in the States. There is a shop in New York that has one for display purposes.

Best Regards,


Actually any venue large enough to need that kind of sound would have 208 3phase. 3phase is fairly standard in commercial buildings. given its not a standard but most major venues should have it.  none the less an amp of that magnatude isnt intended for the average end user there built for installation.


Posted By: Wikl109
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 9:50am
I love stuff like this. Way over the top equipment that manufacturers simply wouldn't make now due to the cost issues. Some of the high end 'home' speaker systems Tannoy and JBL used to make were also just stupid.
Just look at some of the specs of this Crown monster, 80 output devices, gulp!


Posted By: burningbush
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 10:48am
Looks like it should have its own gravity field.

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Posted By: numtie
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 1:19pm
wasnt it crown who also produced the infamous 1u belchfire LOL

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Posted By: CLsystems
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 2:15pm
i believe it was indianapolis speedway, that had these.


Posted By: jonminns
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 2:16pm
The belchfire was a comedy datasheet production by crown, really quite funny for nerds such as myself

The MA10,000 is intended for running to very low impedance loads (eg a large impedance based paging system rather than 100v)


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Posted By: Elliot Thompson
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 3:15pm

Originally posted by DjMidKnight DjMidKnight wrote:


Originally posted by Elliot Thompson Elliot Thompson wrote:

The Crown Macro-Tech 10,000 requires 3-Phase 208 volts in order to operate. Who is moving about with that type of voltage.

It is the main reason why it never caught on in the States. There is a shop in New York that has one for display purposes.

Best Regards,
Actually any venue large enough to need that kind of sound would have 208 3phase. 3phase is fairly standard in commercial buildings. given its not a standard but most major venues should have it.  none the less an amp of that magnatude isnt intended for the average end user there built for installation.


In the 1980's, there wasn't a need for that type of voltage demand, as you would see today in the entertainment industry in the United States. With a lot of lighting being used today as oppose to 30 years ago as a means of effects, having 3 phase 208 volts was a rarity when this amplifier was introduced in the market.

The majority of audio professionals in the States are trying to get as much as they can on a 120-volt line, hence, the reason Crown & QSC only focuses on building 120-volt designs. There are only a few I know in the States (myself included) that operate their MA 5000vz amplifiers on 240 volts much less 208 single-phase. However the majority of users are operating those amplifiers on a 120-volt line source despite, having the ability to perform better on higher voltage.

Best Regards,




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Posted By: colint
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 4:28pm
Originally posted by CLsystems CLsystems wrote:

i believe it was indianapolis speedway, that had these.
 
That'd be the one!


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Posted By: jonminns
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 4:54pm
Is 240 an option in the US? Or is it done via a local transformer

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4 ohms is for wimps


Posted By: rich21
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 5:20pm
http://www.crownaudio.com/pdf/legacy/belchfire_datasheet.pdf - http://www.crownaudio.com/pdf/legacy/belchfire_datasheet.pdf

ahh the memory's


Posted By: CLsystems
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 5:32pm
Originally posted by jonminns jonminns wrote:

Is 240 an option in the US? Or is it done via a local transformer


i think from what ive been told, most houses have both 110v, and 240v supplys. the 240v is used for tumble dryers washing machines etc.


Posted By: DjMidKnight
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 6:06pm
The standard system installed here in the USA for small buildings and residences is 240V 60 hz single phase with a center taped neutral. either end of the phase to center is 120V and from one end of the coil to the other is 240V. Which messes people up because they think that its actually 2 phases when in reality its just pseudo 2phase system.


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 6:55pm
I not sure any members will remember this,it was pre-speakerplans days,there was three of these badged as AE Techron on ebay as a job lot about 5years ago,apparently they had been removed from some government testing installation,but yes,they were deffinately 3-phase...all three together went for about £800....they must have cost a fortune new.

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Posted By: colint
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 7:04pm
This is what you need to power your soundlabs:
http://www.aetechron.com/7796.html - http://www.aetechron.com/7796.html
some useful links on the site too!


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Posted By: ychole audio
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 7:21pm
     Here's the datasheet:Oh my!!
 
http://www.crownaudio.com/pdf/legacy/k10684.pdf - http://www.crownaudio.com/pdf/legacy/k10684.pdf
 


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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 7:23pm
Weight
153 lbs. (69 kg)

 
Now thats heavy!


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Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 8:39pm
Imagine what you could do with 6u these days! a bit more than 6000w burst!!


Posted By: Elliot Thompson
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 8:58pm

Originally posted by Jake_Fielder Jake_Fielder wrote:

Imagine what you could do with 6u these days! a bit more than 6000w burst!!


72,000 watts of Powersoft K 10 ... Burst!

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Elliot Thompson


Posted By: Jake_Fielder
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 9:04pm
LOL
 
How much would they weigh? about the same probably...?


Posted By: Elliot Thompson
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 10:00pm

Originally posted by Jake_Fielder Jake_Fielder wrote:

LOL

 

How much would they weigh? about the same probably...?


I would estimate 2.8 kg more. Not bad for 62,000 watts more.

Best Regards,

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Elliot Thompson


Posted By: SamV
Date Posted: 28 October 2009 at 3:10am
Originally posted by rich21 rich21 wrote:

http://www.crownaudio.com/pdf/legacy/belchfire_datasheet.pdf - http://www.crownaudio.com/pdf/legacy/belchfire_datasheet.pdf

ahh the memory's

Reads like the Behringer sales pitch


Posted By: studio45
Date Posted: 28 October 2009 at 4:15am
seriously, when MRI goes out of fashion...get down to the hospitals and start bidding :) so many massive amps...sooo many....
I wonder if the doctors will start to upgrade to SMPS and Class D as well?


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Posted By: Plaguesguitarist
Date Posted: 02 November 2009 at 8:40pm
Originally posted by rich21 rich21 wrote:

http://www.crownaudio.com/pdf/legacy/belchfire_datasheet.pdf - http://www.crownaudio.com/pdf/legacy/belchfire_datasheet.pdf

ahh the memory's
HAHAHA!
 
i loved that.
 
A manly mans amp.


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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 02 November 2009 at 8:58pm
http://www.crownaudio.com/pdf/legacy/belchfire_datasheet.pdf - http://www.crownaudio.com/pdf/legacy/belchfire_datasheet.pdf
That is soo funny! 1 unit (1.75 inchs), x 6 foot deep! LOL

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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 02 November 2009 at 9:01pm
Originally posted by jbl_man jbl_man wrote:

http://www.crownaudio.com/pdf/legacy/belchfire_datasheet.pdf - http://www.crownaudio.com/pdf/legacy/belchfire_datasheet.pdf
That is soo funny! 1 unit (1.75 inchs), x 6 foot deep! LOL
Edit...someone at Crown has a great sense of humour,the 6000sux was of course the "desired" futuristic new car in the original Robocop film.

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Posted By: DjLeco
Date Posted: 03 November 2009 at 5:08pm
Laughing or not, the MA10000 from Crown, is the MOST POWERFULL class AB+B amplifier ever made.
 
The lowest distortion (of AB+B class, regarding any else other class amplifiers) and the lowest impedance desired by those design, must be appreciated.Clap
 
But we're glorious to be proud, comparing  of this one with "a stack" of digital's powersoft 20 mSecs BURST(bull$hit power) of same height and weight....
 
That's are people, we forget very fast,and denigrate Crown's OLD SCHOOL AMPLIFIERS.
 
Shame!Dead
 
 


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Posted By: Elliot Thompson
Date Posted: 04 November 2009 at 12:45am

Originally posted by DjLeco DjLeco wrote:

Laughing or not, the MA10000 from Crown, is the MOST POWERFULL class AB+B amplifier ever made.
 

The lowest distortion (of AB+B class, regarding any else other class amplifiers) and the lowest impedance desired by those design, must be appreciated.Clap

 

But we're glorious to be proud, comparing  of this one with "a stack" of digital's powersoft 20 mSecs BURST(bull$hit power) of same height and weight....

 

That's are people, we forget very fast,and denigrate Crown's OLD SCHOOL AMPLIFIERS.


 

Shame!Dead

 

 




The Crown MA 10,000 wattage is based on burst. If you look at the continuous average power, it is the same as the Crown MA 5000 @ 4 ohms.



If you Parallel Mono one Crown MA 5000vz and load it at 1-ohm against one Crown MA 10,000 in a 1-ohm load the wattage will be basically the same from a continuous average rating.

Best Regards,

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Elliot Thompson


Posted By: DjLeco
Date Posted: 04 November 2009 at 10:08pm
I'm speaking about his maximum output power on 0,5 ohms.
 
No one has made an AB or AB+B Class amplifier, suitable for 0,5 ohms loading and at that amount of power.
 
5000VZ is suitable for 2 ohms or above, or mono parralel for 1 ohm loading.


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Posted By: tallmike
Date Posted: 04 November 2009 at 10:12pm
0.5 ohms... I often load to that.


Posted By: Elliot Thompson
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 3:02am

Originally posted by DjLeco DjLeco wrote:

I'm speaking about his maximum output power on 0,5 ohms.
 

No one has made an AB or AB+B Class amplifier, suitable for 0,5 ohms loading and at that amount of power.

 

5000VZ is suitable for 2 ohms or above, or mono parralel for 1 ohm loading.


Fair enough.



Best Regards,

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Elliot Thompson



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