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Topic: Plans for Horn loaded subwoofers
Posted By: nniwelt
Subject: Plans for Horn loaded subwoofers
Date Posted: 16 February 2006 at 7:31pm

I'm Looking for plans to build professional horn loaded subwoofers. See photo: http://www.pbuzz.com/data/0a348ede8ac3768875037baca5de6e26/3444_p29059.jpg - http://www.pbuzz.com/eshow.php?id=3&code=s2nvsLnNWoGTE - http://www.pbuzz.com/eshow.php?id=3&code=s2nvsLnNWoGTE

Any of them will do.

Willing to purchase plans as well. Any info would be appreciate it.

Thanks

 

Norbert




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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 17 February 2006 at 4:32am

You wrote:

 

Any of them will do.

 

Well i dont think that you know what you want.

First off all, on your picture there are soooo different cabinets that it is impossible to compare them.

 

Cant imagine how can any of them do.

Few of them are the biggest crap of woofers out there and few of them are zillion light years in head of the others.

You can easy find plans for boxes similar to those CV and Sonic boxes but that is not what you want beleive me.

 

First do a serch on this forum and I still dont know what are you doinh here askin for plans when you already have plenty of them on this site.

Oh... forget those BasssMax and EAW subs. They are out of your league and you cant build them.

Go to the newbee forum with this kind of questions.

Regards



Posted By: Jay Lawless
Date Posted: 17 February 2006 at 5:00am
Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

Oh... forget those BasssMax and EAW subs. They are out of your league and you cant build them.



MARJANM! - too harsh! explain it to him, don't smash his hopes and throw them in the trash .




Ok, now for those bins, they all have diffrent characteristics. the one with duial mouths would be more used as an oversized midbass bin other then full bass *in most cases that is, also depends if it's a mix between vented and horn design*. another thing is that those Cerwin Vegas are just simple C-bins, my personal opinion the easiest to designn out fo the horns. also, NO horn is out of Anyone's league, it just depends if you have the skill to build it, wood working skills that is. also remember these are not normal subs, they don't go as low as extended reflex cabs do. it requires stacks of these to get the lower tunes of 30-35hz unlike reflex can get that easily with much small stacks. BUT the downfall of reflex cabs is that you really only want to use them inside a building where the sound waves can stay in the local area. horns are more ment for LARGE arenas to Venues and outside concerts where the sound needs to be projected much further. my sujgestion is this, do searches on this forum about the "1850horn" the "Loony Bin" the "Punisher" the "Labhorn" the "186horn" the "Tuba" and the "HD 15". search for info/pictures and builds to see when, what and how to use Horns and horn designs.

EDIT: Also, purchasing of plans for most of those cabenits you posted pics of will prove to be almost impossible as the companies would want to keep their work from being copied in anyway. not saying you would do such a thing, but it's happened before.


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Previously known as NeverWinter

Background: Automotive, Live and Home Custom Design. mid/high level based design and feild experience. Bass specialist


Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 17 February 2006 at 9:26am

I am not too harsh.

I am just seek of this kind of questions.

People should fist know what they want.

He has to search and study things for a while and then ask if something is not already explained.

The things that you are explaining to him are beat to dead here and on the prosounweb where he is asking the same question in the Lab Forum.

I realy think that moderators will have to delete all post od this kind where people are looking to steal somone's design.

And EAW and BAssMax cabs ARE out of his league. Aut of anybody's league. They are using custom drivers that arent publicly available so you will not have expected results even if you find the right plans (which I doubt he will)

And if someone is asking how to build a CV sub it certenly does explain how much effort is he making to learn about subwoofers.

There lots of plans on the web that are publicly available so why asking this kind of question.

 

I think that we shoud try to improve the quality of this site and not allow to be overflown with stupid novice question. Thats why we now have NEWBEE part in the forum area.

 

Oh.. I also think that we should make a roule for posting with a real name like on PSW forums.

 

Lets make it more profesional. If every second topic is a "Do someone have a plans for XX od YY can cose i like to make copies?" is not helping much. Not to mention the legal point of wiev.

Regards

MarjanM



Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: 17 February 2006 at 11:22am

Yes, this does belong in the "newbie" forum, but we will always have questions like this.  I've asked a few in my time here and appriciated the help.

Jim



Posted By: freddyi
Date Posted: 17 February 2006 at 11:44am
in US - Yorkville UCS1 and CV SL36 go new for ~$560/$399 respectively (add ~$100 shpping fro CV - Yorkville includes shipping) - know not DIY but less hassle if U have sufficent bread. will take pile of em


Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 17 February 2006 at 1:43pm
Originally posted by nniwelt nniwelt wrote:

I'm Looking for plans to build professional horn loaded subwoofers. See photo: http://www.pbuzz.com/data/0a348ede8ac3768875037baca5de6e26/3444_p29059.jpg - http://www.pbuzz.com/eshow.php?id=3&code=s2nvsLnNWoGTE - http://www.pbuzz.com/eshow.php?id=3&code=s2nvsLnNWoGTE

Any of them will do.

Willing to purchase plans as well. Any info would be appreciate it.

Thanks

 

Norbert

hey wsup norbert!!!  dont purchase any plans!!!! its a mugs game... why pay for plans when you can go here....

http://www.speakerplans.com/index.php?id=plans - http://www.speakerplans.com/index.php?id=plans

and get some plans for free!!!  have a look around and see if anything there fits the bill... if you still havent found anything that fits the bill then im sure if you narrow what your looking for down someone else will come up with some good options.

feel free to ask all the stupid novice questions you feel like asking...



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Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners.


Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 17 February 2006 at 1:44pm

also here...

http://www.speakerstore.nl/index.php?l=en&pg=5 - http://www.speakerstore.nl/index.php?l=en&pg=5



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Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners.


Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 18 February 2006 at 3:23am
MarjanM quote:

And EAW and BAssMax cabs ARE out of his league. Aut of anybody's league. They are using custom drivers that arent publicly available so you will not have expected results even if you find the right plans (which I doubt he will)

 

That's what they tell you



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......just all them hanging there like giant bananas.



Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 18 February 2006 at 5:50am

Ok, then please tell me what kind of driver are EAW using for BH760 sub and i will build 4 of them right now?

Exact driver not some close to fit driver please.

 

Thank you.



Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 18 February 2006 at 7:03am
Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

Ok, then please tell me what kind of driver are EAW using for BH760 sub and i will build 4 of them right now?

Exact driver not some close to fit driver please.

 

Thank you.

saw and hammer at the ready

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......just all them hanging there like giant bananas.



Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 18 February 2006 at 9:44am

hello marjan as your a newbie i should point out that these design that you speak of are infact copyrighted, as such construction is prohibited...  it would be unprofessional to divulge these plans to you at this time.  maybe you should search the forum for similar plans?

if this doesnt net any results then how about ebay....  i can highly recommend skytec as these are the first speakers i ever bought!!!

you can buy some here.....

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SKYTEC-2-x-12-BAND-DJ-DISCO-KARAOKE-PA -SPEAKER-CABINET_W0QQitemZ5866200344QQcategoryZ69967QQrdZ1QQ cmdZViewItem - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SKYTEC-2-x-12-BAND-DJ-DISCO-KARAOKE-PA -SPEAKER-CABINET_W0QQitemZ5866200344QQcategoryZ69967QQrdZ1QQ cmdZViewItem

but dont get too excited as that priceis per cab! sorry.  2 of these cabs would be good for at least 2 to 3 thousand ppl so its a bargain!  the bass will rearrange your dna!!!

if not why not find a carpenter and get him to make any cabinet you want... ask simo he'll sort you out!

i hope i have answered some of your questions... its a big step UP coming from the prosound forum to this one so if i can offer any help with my limited knowledge plz feel free to get in touch.



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Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners.


Posted By: MixMan X
Date Posted: 18 February 2006 at 12:38pm

Heathrow, are you being sarcistic with that last post or what? 'I can highly recommend Skytec' are not words you hear very often, as Skytec stuff is usually sh*te. And as for those ebay speakers, there's no way you could use a pair of them for 2-3k people!



Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 18 February 2006 at 12:49pm

sorry your rite mix man....

sorry marjan your looing at double that... maybe 4 or 6 thousand ppl!  i forget i told you to get TWO cabs and not one.

my mistake! well spotted mixman!



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Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners.


Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 18 February 2006 at 2:38pm

Hello HBL,

 

First of all I am a newbie just because i dont post too often here, and the sistem that is desiding who is a newbie and who is a senior member is just calculating the number of the posts you wrote.

So if I write now some 30 bullsh**te post it will change. Here are some menbers that still dont know how to use their sistem but are senior members.

As a 38 years old guy who is doing the sound for a 15 years  i really dont feel like a newbie.

Go to this post and scroll a little down and you will see somme of my equipment wich is aproximately 30% of the total equipment I own.

http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2179&PN=6&TPN=8 - http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2179&a mp;a mp;PN=6&TPN=8

 

And that include complete 12x12x8 meters motorised truss system, stage, 12 575W moving heads, 64 PAR64 cans, dimmers 96 chanel DMX controler and so on and so on.

The sound system consisit of total of 24 bass boxes made by Selenium plans and 16 top boxes that are my desingn and at the moment I am in progres of making the top boxes flyable.

Power is 6 CREST CA12, 6 Peavey GPS 3400 and 4 Labgruppen Fp 6400.

 

So to you I am a newbie. Good. That make YUO a still unborn child.

I do live in a small and very poor countrie but so far my sistem played as delay tower or side fill or drumm fill to some performers that you do now.

Just to name few of them:

Faithless

Prodigy

Moloko and most recently

DJ Tiesto.

 

So Im a newbie and thank you for your recomendation of an exelent speakers.

 

If you read carefuly what I writed in the reply to the OP you will se that legal point of asking for  the any manufacturers plans is very bad thing.

That BH760 remark was just a reply to the reaction the EAW is not using castom designed drivers.

 

Regards.

 

MM

 

Oh I almost forget.

I do own 4 LAB SUBs and will build 4 more this spring.

And yes that is me on the pictures.

 

EDIT:

 

And i have build all of my boxes. I own a very good set of woodcrafting tool.



Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 18 February 2006 at 2:57pm
i was pulling your leg marjan!

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Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners.


Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 18 February 2006 at 3:17pm
???????????


Posted By: Nigey-C
Date Posted: 18 February 2006 at 4:11pm

I think its highly unlikely youve done PA for The likes of Faithless and The Prodigy...

As they have a company of very highly skilled workers that work for a very highly recommened company...

Didnt know Moloko had a tour going on...

and please...

SYSTEM!! not sistem - EXCELLENT!! not exelent

 

Oh and if you have got all that sound system.... why o why o why do you want more??? You must have at least 28800kW of bass in your selenium bass cabs (Two Drivers of 600w Each per cab)... and at least 11200kW of Mid/Top (pressuming 2x 300w mids + 1x 100 compression driver each per cab)..

Then you say you own 4 Lab Subs so thats another 2400w (600w drivers in each) and your gunna build 4 more in the spring so thats another 2400w...

So Altogether you will end up with 40kW + of PA... so why do you want more??

 

And what pic? where? i musted have missed it...



Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 18 February 2006 at 4:47pm

hey marjan

pulling your leg = winding you up = taking the piss = joking

dont worry i fully understood you... i take it english is not you first language?  dont worry its my first language and i still cant be bothered to correct my spelling or grammer.... i like the way you spell phonetically though

@nigey... i think marjan said he did the drum fill or delay tower for these big events... not done the whole event so its believeable to me.

anyways if rog ever does make his new chemical speaker thing im gonna buy a couple and squeeze em some skytecs for a laugh!!!



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Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners.


Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 19 February 2006 at 6:56am

Well if I am to play in the major league here (which is my intention) I need at lest 20KW more.

The biggest system that I was supporting has 24 JBL Vertec tops and 24 JBL Vertec subs with 24 Crown MA5002 witch is quite a bit more that what I have.

I will post a picture of the biggest event that I have done by my own so far tomorrow (pictures are on my office PC).

 

Why do I need lab subs?

I have made two of them just out of curiosity. Than I did few DnB parties and they never wonted any other subs. Unfortunately two were too few and they blow them so I build another two.

They sit mostly in their warehouse (they are damn heavy) and only play once in a month.

I will take them out when I can stack 8 of them in the center of the stage along with the other Selenium boxes placed L - R.

 

That will sound weeeeery good.

 

Will post some more pictures soon.

 

Regards

MarjanM

 



Posted By: Nigey-C
Date Posted: 19 February 2006 at 4:55pm
MarjanM - From the looks of the pics on that other topic, you say that "this is half my system" to one of the pics... and you have jaff all there...


Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 19 February 2006 at 10:00pm

Originally posted by Nigey-C Nigey-C wrote:

MarjanM - From the looks of the pics on that other topic, you say that "this is half my system" to one of the pics... and you have jaff all there...

 

did you scroll to the right?

@marjanM are those the sellenium hb1505c1? if so !!!   wot was the build like? im investigating double vesions at the mo!!!



Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 20 February 2006 at 4:59am

@Nigey-C:

Pictures are taken in the spring and summer 2005 and the post is from August 2005. I have made more of the PA since.

I also have 12 DR boxes with 18 Sound 18W800.

 

@coner: Yes they are sellenium hb1505c1 loaded with 2 Kappa15ProLF each = 1200W RMS @4 ohm.

What do you mean with investigatin double version? They are double already.

I am sure that you dont want 4x15 version. It is damn heavy box, i regret for not buildin single versions every time i have to lift them.

They are very loud bud dont go very low. In a stack of 8 you can fell the kick 100 feet away. They have excellent kick.

 

Construction is not that difficult and if you plan to make them out of MDF be sure not to miss any brace. It took a day for one complete box.

My friend was taking some pictures wile building with his phone. I will try to transfer those pics to my PC and will post them if you like.

 

Feel free to ask anything you like about them.

 

Regards

MarjanM

 



Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 20 February 2006 at 7:39am

cheers!

any pics v.much apreciated. by double i meant 2x15" not 4 haha yeah thatd be for instal only ive got sub [or will have!] so they wont be required to play down below 80hz! [the plan is for a 1x15" thats why i said double! i havent ever heard of any one building a single!] any pics v.much apreciated!



Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 20 February 2006 at 8:30am

It is not a problem to make singles. Just cut the box on half.

I'll se what i can do about the pictures.

What is the application? If it is a small club and you only need a kick box, HD15 is far more simple to build.



Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 20 February 2006 at 4:55pm
the aplication is put some kick on top of some module horns! yes 2x15 is the way to go! [the version of the plans i got are for singl but im gonna double it!] so its a lot of kick to go on top of a lot of sub!


Posted By: Image88
Date Posted: 23 February 2006 at 1:49pm
2-MarjanM
Hope you had an ear full...You can now take your foot out of
your mouth...Geeeeze
2-Neverwinter
Thanks for your explanation.


Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 24 February 2006 at 3:40am

@ Image88

 

 

 

???????????????????????????????????????????????



Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 24 February 2006 at 3:47am
Originally posted by Image88 Image88 wrote:

2-MarjanM
Hope you had an ear full...You can now take your foot out of
your mouth...Geeeeze
2-Neverwinter
Thanks for your explanation.
image88 = hbl

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......just all them hanging there like giant bananas.



Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 24 February 2006 at 7:12am

@everyone

?????????????????????????????????????????????

lol!




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