Hogs vs Supers
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Topic: Hogs vs Supers
Posted By: jack-red-eye
Subject: Hogs vs Supers
Date Posted: 03 January 2011 at 7:56pm
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How would 6x super scoops loaded with pd 1850's compare with 4x 1850 loaded hogs?
I don't know if what im asking is dumb or not because ive never heard the two cabs in the same room.
Im looking at buying 4 hogs at some point soon but i was thinking of building 6 supers if it will work out cheaper and i will get the same/similar outcome.
edit: my real question is how much does the box actually affect performance?
Any thoughts and any offers of hogs or pd 1850's are apreciated.
Cheers
Jack
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Posted By: Meat
Date Posted: 03 January 2011 at 8:25pm
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4 Hogs is a ton of bass. I remember going into the Phoenix for the Gash-DRSS soundclash and just shoving all the rolly filters in my ears immediately. My ears were still ringing from that a month later. I've never to my knowledge heard supers but thats not the only time I've heard hogs. To my ears they've always sounded good, generally until someone gets trigger happy with the volume and it starts being painful. ------------- Don't test the champignon sound |
Posted By: fat_brstd
Date Posted: 03 January 2011 at 9:05pm
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I dont know about supers as I have never had a play with them. I have heard 21" 2150 loaded supers and I do have 3 1850 loaded Hogs. I took them out recently alongside Channel one who used 4 of there scoops (I believe loaded with celestion 1000watt drivers but I may be wrong) and I think we managed to keep up on bass pressure. There are others on here who were also at that dance who might have some input. As for how much will a box affect the performance the answer is a great deal. The hog has longer horn length than the super and a larger mouth area. Both of these allow he hog to go lower than the super before the driver unloades itself. I dont think a hog build would be significantly harder than a super scoop build so if you want hogs then build em. ------------- Melbournes Rootical Warrior Roots - Dub - Steppers http://www.facebook.com/adrians.wall" rel="nofollow - facebook page |
Posted By: jack-red-eye
Date Posted: 03 January 2011 at 9:23pm
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I know a guy who is experienced in building superscoops who has said he would help me as im not experienced in building whatsoever.
Ive heard hogs quite a few times and been very impressed but only ever heard 2 1850 loaded supers and wasnt blown away, this is what lead me to think that 4 hogs could keep up with 6 supers, but i could be very wrong....?
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Posted By: Nick Sasquash
Date Posted: 03 January 2011 at 9:50pm
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Jack... PD1850 aint the right driver for a super scoop ... also Super scoops are designed to be used in stacks of x3 or x4 really & can sound wicked when loaded with Turbomax 1000, fane 1000, void 1000, pd186, fane XB + nuff others... Personally I would take 6 correctly loaded supers, altho hogs are a beast ------------- https://operationsoundsystemrecords.bandcamp.com/ https://www.facebook.com/OperationSoundSystem/ |
Posted By: jack-red-eye
Date Posted: 03 January 2011 at 10:06pm
I know a sound with fane xb loaded supers and although they sound nice they don't give enough shere power output even in stacks of 4 (in my opinion)
But the rest of the drivers mentioned could be very different.
How do they compare in price with the 1850?
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Nick Sasquash wrote:Posted By: p1go
Date Posted: 03 January 2011 at 10:16pm
Super scooper was designed for PD1850  http://speakerplans.com/images/superscoopa.jpg
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Posted By: Nick Sasquash
Date Posted: 03 January 2011 at 11:30pm
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"Super scooper was designed for PD1850  http://speakerplans.com/images/superscoopa.jpg" mmm... i know... if you had chance to test for yourself or hear the driver-scoop combos i mention you would understand my statement  Put a 1850 inna Hog different story as Adrian wrote. Jack I know what you mean with xb's, loverly sound but cant take anywhere near same power as the others (I ran Xb's for over 10 years in scoops) they are the number 1 budget option tho... Not sure about prices on the rest but have a chat with Roy @ RMJ re: Turbomax & Paulie Paul on here is good on prices for Fane & PD. ------------- https://operationsoundsystemrecords.bandcamp.com/ https://www.facebook.com/OperationSoundSystem/ |
Posted By: johnatron
Date Posted: 04 January 2011 at 4:08am
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Hey up Jack, If your gonna get a build on I would go for hogs mate, even with your XBs in them they sound really nice don't think 4 would out perform 6 Supers but would certainly give em a run for the money. I ran XBs in mine and really liked the sound, plus theirs scope for a link up with us as well as gash. I'm gonna start the build of 7 and 8 at some point in the next few months know a guy with a CNC and laser cutter in Manchester so could maybe get them built on that run if you like? John Herbal Sessions Sound System
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Posted By: YoungBlood
Date Posted: 04 January 2011 at 4:37am
why newby dem love jump in tings before do dem homework ?
yes nick lev say void 1000 & wembley bline 800 sound better than even 186 in standard super but make few mods to super and it turn into beast with turbomax and fane 1000 ------------- "chyll wynstan.." |
Posted By: mykey-
Date Posted: 04 January 2011 at 5:46am
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Hog = bigger mouth, longer horn it doesn't take much working out ------------- BbbBBRAAAAPppBBBBbgushhhhhhhhssshhhhhGrAbRAAAAAAPPPPPp = Dubstep |
Posted By: jack-red-eye
Date Posted: 04 January 2011 at 10:32am
Cheers for the advice John.
Have you still got xb's in your hogs, because if 6 fanes can do what those hogs did on NYE i wont even bother getting 1850's! But im pretty sure you sold some xb's to my bro a couple of moths ago so im guessing you have upgraded.
The problem with building is ive never built anything before! I suppose with lazer cuttings it would be easier but i still don't fancy myself for it.
I was planning on upgrading march-april times so i have a while for some hogs to come up (hopefully)
And have gash not sold off their hogs for USB's?.
And mykey the question wasnt which performs better, its quite obviously the hog.
What i was asking is would 4 hogs keep up with 6 supers?
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Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 05 January 2011 at 9:27am
No, they're still tucked in the corner of their unit, looking massive. |
Posted By: jack-red-eye
Date Posted: 05 January 2011 at 12:50pm
| Are they selling them is the question then? |
Posted By: fat_brstd
Date Posted: 05 January 2011 at 1:14pm
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I actually contacted Gash a couple of days ago asking to buy there hogs and they responded very politely telling me that they had decided to keep them. As far as I am aware Ive only every seen hogs for sale a handfull of times. I believe HBL sold his to gash who then got tom at stable to armour plate them in ply. The other time there were 4 ply ones that went to fuzzylogic, im sorry but ive forgotten who it was who was selling them. I was fighting to try and get those 4 hogs but just couldnt get a van together as quickly as fuzzy could. If any do come up for sale I have cash sat here waiting to buy some more. ------------- Melbournes Rootical Warrior Roots - Dub - Steppers http://www.facebook.com/adrians.wall" rel="nofollow - facebook page |
Posted By: jack-red-eye
Date Posted: 05 January 2011 at 4:55pm
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well it looks like building may be the best option,
ive never seen any come up with the exeption of gash's a while back.
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Posted By: Shortstack
Date Posted: 05 January 2011 at 5:52pm
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Have run both supers and hogs, hogs play lovely loud and low with 1850's, supers much nicer with v1000 or 186's are a little power shy for my liking than 1850's. I prefer the hogs but that is personal preferance i dont think that 1850's in supers is a good idea sound to brutal for my liking. ------------- Shortstack Audio Leeds, Lets Bring the Noise |
Posted By: king david
Date Posted: 05 January 2011 at 6:14pm
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maybe you dont have the midtop section sorted yet...if thats the case and you never built boxes before, you can start by building some nice reflex midtops, 15" upper bass bin would be an easy job, so you start to have some experience with screws, glue, panels. then you can build superscoop or hog but if its the first woodwork, it can be difficult.
i have built 4 x hogs and the first one was "nightmare" to built, while the others were a much better/faster work, especially to screw the braces. hog would take 2sheets and a half, superscooper can be built with 2, if you put pd1850 in hog you have to make a small modification to fit the driver.
hogs and superscoops in the same yard
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Posted By: jack-red-eye
Date Posted: 05 January 2011 at 11:03pm
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Nice looking stacks there !
Problem is my mid-top section is sorted.
I am pretty set on the hog now but have decided im not in a massive rush to get them
The scoops i run at the moment are mr dubz and im told to put 1850's in them before upgrading and i might be pleasently suprized so its gonna be the drivers for me first. After a while i will start to gather the funds for hogs and start the build, then eventually upgrade.
Expect many questions on the forum, im determined to get it perfect first time.
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Posted By: king david
Date Posted: 06 January 2011 at 9:43am
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if the scoops you already have are good enough, you can just "upgrade" drivers to pd1850 and if it is really needed you can add other 2 of the same scoops in the future...why change all bass section when you already have 4xgood bins? ------------- http://www.warriorcharge.noblogs.org |
Posted By: jack-red-eye
Date Posted: 06 January 2011 at 12:56pm
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Because ive not been impressed with them with fane xb's and im expecting the same results with the 1850's (which is not performing to their full caperbilities).
If im happy with my currents scoops with 1850s then yeah il probably keep them but i recon hogs will use the driver much more efficiantly.
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