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Topic: All Members of please READ
Posted By: laxskan
Subject: All Members of please READ
Date Posted: 23 June 2006 at 11:16am

Please note that all speakerplans members should update their profiles as a requirement of the revised terms and conditions see below, failure to do this may result in removal from the forum. Please ensure that your email details are correct and upto date also.

Rules for members of the trade.

We ask that you observe the following special rules for posting which are designed to maintain the non-commercial, hobbyist nature of this forum while maximizing the participation of industry members.

1. All members of the trade must register and identify the specific field in which they are engaged, i.e. manufacturer, dealer, distributor, rental company, engineer. Posts that appear to be from members of the trade that do not have such profiles will be deleted.

2. No member of the trade shall use his/her business name, postal address, e-mail address, telephone number or URL as part of his/her username or as part of any post, except as permitted in rule no. 5. Trade members may use their company email addresses for registration, but must use a different username than the default email address for their posts.

3. A member of the trade must not give out any information about a specific product that he is selling or making, in response to a general request for information about a type of product or in any other discussion.

4. A trade member must not post announcements, advertisements, or sales information about products he makes or sells.

5. A member of the trade who posts for the purpose of supplying specifically requested information about his/her product or to correct mis-information about his/her product appearing in another post may but is not required to - include his/her company identifying information in the body of the post.

The board wants to emphasize the fact that, if speakerplans is to continue to be a fun and informative forum for all its members, goodwill and a sense of consideration for others is essential. Speakerplans hopes that members of the trade will see that their reputation on this forum is enhanced by compliance with these Rules.




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Posted By: Elliot Thompson
Date Posted: 23 June 2006 at 11:49am
There seems to be an error in the Industry Affilate section.

I keep getting a default of Manufacter when I submit Equipment Hire.


EDIT:I think I solved the problem

Best Regards,



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Elliot Thompson


Posted By: laxskan
Date Posted: 23 June 2006 at 11:53am

Try refreshing the page



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Posted By: Elliot Thompson
Date Posted: 23 June 2006 at 11:58am
Every time you go into Profile, it defaults to Manufacter.

So, once I adjusted location, I needed to set Industry Affilate as well.

Problem Solved.

Best Regards,

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Elliot Thompson


Posted By: super-hero
Date Posted: 23 June 2006 at 3:16pm
Not a mallicious question, but, is the site run by or sponsored by Pro Audio Parts.
It's just that the new terms and conditions seen to be aimed at stopping people offering cabinet construction or other services for a fee. Or to stop people promoting their companies. Surely if the site is to be free from "corporate advertising" then there should not be a big link to Proaudioparts.co.uk at the bottom of the page.
Unless of course they provide the site. In which case my humble apologies.
 
This post is not meant to sound as harsh as it does. I just couldn't think of a better way of putting it.


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Posted By: VECTORDJ
Date Posted: 23 June 2006 at 4:18pm
This is a mistake....why try to control the flow of free info..this is what evil leaders who wanted  to control the world did........a forum should be free.........why should you keep me from knowing what Mykey wants to sell his cabs for...............I am in the USA and it makes no sense to order product from the UK but I find it interesting to see what members sell this  gear for............to make a web site and forman about loudspeaker building and not let the members sell these units is foolish......if Rog does not want people to make his designs and sell them he should  keep the plans locked up....let us be free! 


Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 23 June 2006 at 11:55pm
Big smile

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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 24 June 2006 at 12:10am
Big smile


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......just all them hanging there like giant bananas.



Posted By: Lasse Lukkari
Date Posted: 24 June 2006 at 4:26am
Mykey try to behave!


Posted By: kevinmcdonough
Date Posted: 24 June 2006 at 6:07am
When i first saw the new rules I was also quite annoyed, but after reading them a few times i'm not so bothered any more.

To a certian extent i do understand why these rules have been put into place, as i do notice that over the last wee while things have became a lot more 'commercial'.

I dont think that the rules prevent selling as such though. for example....

if someone was having a "general" conversation about punnishers then you would not be allowed to jump in and advertise your building skills and prices, as of Rule 3.

However if someone says "I want someone to build me 4 punishers what are the prices" then as of rule 5, you are juts supplying information that was specifically asked for, so as far as I would interperate the rules then that'd be OK?

Think they're just designed to prevent people jumping in at every opertunity pushing certian products, which does happen though i wont mention any names.

And remember if you really feel that your services should be offered you can always PM someone.

kev

kev


Posted By: ceharden
Date Posted: 24 June 2006 at 6:40am
@mykey: Got to admit I had some thoughts along similar lines when I read the rules.  There is a certain irony given that the site has always been heavily biassed towards Void/PAP/P-Audio UK.  A bit of competition is no bad thing, especially to keep the above organisation (note singular) on their toes.  Flying off the handle won't help though.

I want to know where people like myself stand now.  Technically I am part of the trade but speaker design and building is also a hobby as well



Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 24 June 2006 at 6:44am

Originally posted by Vivo Vivo wrote:

Mykey try to behave!
sorry vivo! was super angry earlier cooled down abit now.

but here is a suggestion..why doesnt proaudio parts let me build for them horns and cabs that way it will free them up to concentrate on selling drivers etc.

if your too slow people will find other alternatives

remember i work in large volumesl



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Posted By: kevinmcdonough
Date Posted: 24 June 2006 at 7:36am
hey

Possibly, a compromise would be to simply make sure that the sales talk is kept in the "sales" part of the forum! 

The thread could be changed to something like "sales and wanted" and people who are advertising their building skills or whatever can put it here, and also if you are wanting to ask for people to build cabs etc it can go here as well?

Think if you are advertising your skills though it should be kept to a SINGLE thread stating

"I;m *******  and i can do ******** or supply *******" 

afterwards then only reply to specific questions or posts.

This will still allow some sales and to go on, but keep it out of the general topics and limit it to specific sales concersations, as rule 5?

I do think it'd be wrong to loose all talk of sales.

For us that work in the trade we are generally happy to supply speakers, building skills and related equipment (amps, outboard etc) at particuluarly good prices because we know we're helpng other members of the forum out.


Just my opinion, thoughts anyone?

kev


Posted By: super-hero
Date Posted: 24 June 2006 at 8:15am
I can see that the site should not become too comercial, so maybe have a section where people can promote their services. I think it's important to keep lots of people on here from all parts of the music business as their knowledge and experience is invaluable. I hope the new rules and regulations dont stop these people from postiing on here.
 
Maybe replace the Roots section with a Services Offered section as this seems more in keeping with speaker building. This could be an unpopular suggestion but I'm not sure how the roots section fits into this site.
 
Or move all advertising to the Unmoderated area.


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Posted By: tendril
Date Posted: 24 June 2006 at 9:22am
Why not just have a 'Commercial' forum in unmoderated? All things commercial in there and if one of the manufacturers or other commercial people wants to reply to a thread in any other forum, just post a link to the 'Commercial' forum from that thread [iykwim].

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A mistake is a mistake only if one learns nothing from it.


Posted By: minaximal
Date Posted: 24 June 2006 at 11:09am
i think this is a shame.

i understand its not free to host web space, and if every other post was to advertise the latest (insert product here) then it could be annoying to say the least.

i have a little anti-capitalist slant in my views, so think big brand advertising is not for a forum like this.

but i also feel it is good to see what people/businesses have to offer.

the new rules now mean if someone makes a cabinet, or there own design even, and they are affiliated with or sell the odd cabinet then they could not post photos of the build unless asked to do so. which only helps the larger or more well known bussinesses.

*does using the same forum name as your business really make a difference?? surely it helps to show who is who!

is this site and discussions of free designs (started and predominantly) by mr mogale not a form of advertising for the commercially linked designs of his, promoted with banners on these very forums and sold under voids/proaudioparts (same) name?

and if laxscan is alex from pap, when am i also just an end user not a commercial seller?

the problem can only come from overt advertising by large companies with their latest products, when it comes to smaller companies i.e. one man band etc with more bespoke or niche products then it is good to hear of them. i dont think that at the moment there is anyone from a large company directly making any kind of hard sell or spam advertising here, ahem the banners.

i think a more relaxed approach would be more condusive to a  free and informative site. ie, sellers of products should be able to mention them  but  with common sense  in regards to relevance and blatant advertising spam, offenders should then  be warned, or deleted. now though, maybe i think there are strange shaped hoops to jump through

dont get me wrong i still think the site is a great resource of knowledge and information, even with less posts now from the likes of elliot t, mike e, rog, djk, jdo1, freddyi, walt.. etcetc sory cant list all the peeps, but by essence, building speakers is not strictly a non-commercial or hobbyist occupation.

al




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Posted By: Robbo
Date Posted: 25 June 2006 at 4:27pm
There is a well known saying--IF IT AINT BROKE THEN DO NOT FIX IT--why change anything as good as this forum when it all works superbly--obviously everyone on here is fully aware of the Pro Audio Parts tie up but it has never caused any major problems as I know to--nor has anyone pushing sales of their own products,because these members also tend to be the core of a very helpfull membership and certainly contribute to this forums success.
 If Alex or anyone commercially involved with this forum are attempting to manipulate certain things then they will run the risk of some of the major contributors to this forum breaking away to form a splinter website as there are some pretty hefty members of this forum that have easily got the clout(both financially and with business expertise) to be able to carry something of this nature through.
Heres another saying---Let sleeping dogs lie---eveyone is happy with the forum 99% of the time so why change anything----also agree with Mykey that the site is now a lot slower.


Posted By: Guy Johnson
Date Posted: 23 January 2010 at 4:30am
Done, I fink, innit ... 

*edit*
gosh. quite an old thread!


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Posted By: FlipC
Date Posted: 23 January 2010 at 7:08am
I feel I understand as there are people
who promote their builds with the SOLE purpose of selling them. Not to share plans.  This site is about DIY. It is THE BEST DIY PA speaker building forum on the net. But yet they want to take advantage of it.

At the same time
there does need to be an allowance for such. So like most other forums charge a vendor fee. Have each vendor have their very own section under Vendors/Category. So if someone was asking about whom could build etc. Then a vendor could just reply with a link to their section. Not posting any other info.

At the same time the FOR SALE
section would be for used equipment only and not for repeat sales. IE your only allowed X post per month. This should remain free to members.



Posted By: adambomb
Date Posted: 23 January 2010 at 8:49am
+1... Been saying the same thing for years...

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Posted By: markie
Date Posted: 18 July 2011 at 6:28pm
As a matter of interest where do I stand in this. Whilst I don't intend to post "Get yout G*****s from Markie" ads, what about the odd situation where I have a pair I've made to the wrong size. Can I offer them on the forum at say 1/2 price???
 
Or How about if I'm stacked out with a particular type of A******c F*** and want to offer a half price clearance. I could of course put it on e-bay but I honestly think the forum members would want first crack at it.
 
I guess I am "In the trade" albeit my trade premises are my garden shed.


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Posted By: tomschute
Date Posted: 18 July 2011 at 6:32pm
I'm guilty I suppose too. I've sold a couple of rigs on here. But also sold a lot of amps and other odds cluttering up the workshop. Everything I've sold is on the cheap end of market value and i'd rather have a quick sale where everyone's nice to deal with and happy (on here) than go on the bay even if it meant I'd get a better price... Doesn't everyone win?

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Posted By: cravings
Date Posted: 18 July 2011 at 7:13pm
it's like any good disclaimer.. it's there to be brandished when required. they know when someone's taking the piss...


Posted By: alphabetikal
Date Posted: 11 June 2012 at 12:56pm
if the forum goes up the shi*ter then lets just make a new one



Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 11 June 2012 at 1:01pm
this is a very old thread [started in 2006!], and there is a new one: freespeakerplans, which was setup by a few members from here a few years back when the forum owners here threw the toys out the pram and started kicking off members because it didnt suit their own commercial wants/needs.

All was sorted and now this forum has no real commercial ties, post away, ignore this topic it doesnt apply.


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Posted By: carlos_j15
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 7:43pm
Hello, good afternoon, I'm from venezuela and I've been in this forum for a while but I've never been able to put the photos of the drawers horn that I made Big smile


Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 05 January 2017 at 10:41pm
You need ten point/posts to allow your pics to upload, or use link from an image site

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