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Topic: Just picked up my A$$ scoops.
Posted By: levyte357
Subject: Just picked up my A$$ scoops.
Date Posted: 05 March 2007 at 3:39pm
Just "acquired" 4x Original ASS Scoops, apparently loaded with JBL's for blinding price.. 

Part of the old Hammersmith System.

Now looking for 4 HD15's and 2 MT122's.  Already got 8x FANE Bullets
( 2 boxes). So, hopefully will have 2x mini stacks ready for ea$ter for all the wedding reception$ coming up  !!!







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"Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy".



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Posted By: Static Age
Date Posted: 05 March 2007 at 4:18pm
the ASS sound good, were they the ones that had been on ebay?
get some pics for the scoop porn thread.


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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 05 March 2007 at 4:39pm
Originally posted by Static Age Static Age wrote:

the ASS sound good, were they the ones that had been on ebay?


Yes.

I was one click and 3 seconds away from getting all 6 cabs for 1.5k !!!!

But because the dude didn't answer couple of my questions, I didn't bid.
However, did the follow up, turned up with Luton tailift, negotiated the wedge, and got cabs. Maybe I should have bought all six...

Anyway, scoop on scoop action thumbnails will be submitted when I've tarted them up.



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"Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy".


Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 06 March 2007 at 3:39am

Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:

Just "acquired" 4x Original ASS Scoops.

I was one click and 3 seconds away from getting all 6 cabs for 1.5k !!

Maybe I should have bought all six...

Good on ya Levyte...Glad you stood by your word, that you only wanted ASS cabs.
So you no longer need the plans from Toxic ?  
 
Are they the RX9's or RX18's ? 
 
So when can we hear your system then ? Any open-air sessions ? Sound checks/testing ?
 
BTW, what happened to the other 2 cabs ?
 


Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 06 March 2007 at 4:25am
Originally posted by Tekasis Tekasis wrote:

Good on ya Levyte...Glad you stood by your word, that you only wanted ASS cabs.
So you no longer need the plans from Toxic ?  


Ahem.. I have no recollection of any conversation  involving illiciting plans from anyone... 

Originally posted by Tekasis Tekasis wrote:


Are they the RX9's or RX18's ?

They are the big RX's (RX18?), grill just on Driver, and big.

Originally posted by Tekasis Tekasis wrote:


So when can we hear your system then ? Any open-air sessions ? Sound checks/testing ?


After the standard HMSS has set, you can best believe it won't be until I have got (and know how to use properly) digital speaker management, so  I can have fully 5 way active. I may also wait until I have 4x 1850's.

Originally posted by Tekasis Tekasis wrote:

BTW, what happened to the other 2 cabs ?


They were still available last night. All the cabs need painting and Grills tarting up, but are structually unbelievable.




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"Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy".


Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 06 March 2007 at 6:24am

JUST AS A MATTER OF INTEREST. THE CABS WERE SOLD TO BOBBY WHO RUN SCHOOL DISCO AT HAMMERSMITH. THE JBL SPEAKERS WERE HIS IDEA.
HE HAD HEARD AN OLD A.S.S. SYSTEM USEING J.B.L. AND HAD A FIXATION ON THEM. SO HIS WISH WAS OUR COMMAND. ANYONE CAN CALL A.S.S. AT ANY TIME FOR HELP WITH THEIR SYSTEM


Posted By: odc04r
Date Posted: 06 March 2007 at 7:14am
How about help with their caps lock useage 


Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 06 March 2007 at 9:41am

HAVE PITY ON ME MATE .I'M NOT A TYPIST AND I HAVE OLD EYES IN THIS HEAD OF MINE. ANYTHING SMALLER AND I WOULD STUGGLE.


Posted By: jethrocker
Date Posted: 06 March 2007 at 9:45am

TONY...GO TO THE TOP OF YOUR BROWSER (IF IT'S I.E ANYWAY) GO VIEW>TEXT SIZE>SELECT YOUR OPTION... THAT WAY YOU CAN MAKE YOUR TEXT NICE AND LARGE FOR ALL POSTS, NOT JUST YOURS, AND YOU CAN STOP SHOUTING!!!!



Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 06 March 2007 at 9:48am
I.E. is Internet Explorer in case you didn't know.


Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 06 March 2007 at 9:48am

I'M STARTING TO THINK THAT I HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO NOW


Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 06 March 2007 at 9:56am
Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:


I'M STARTING TO THINK THAT I HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO NOW
 
Never give up Tony, It's all helpful advice here. 
 
We've already lost Roger, not you as well. Just stay cool man. You doing fine...  


Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 06 March 2007 at 10:09am

Thankyou my friend


Posted By: odc04r
Date Posted: 06 March 2007 at 11:32am
Hehe, don't take things so personally bud. I'm only messing with you. As another piece of advise if you hold down the control key you can use your mouse wheel to change the size of fonts etc in a browser window.

Congrats on your new scoops Levyte!


Posted By: jethrocker
Date Posted: 06 March 2007 at 1:04pm
Hey Tony... don't feel bad.. there's never any shortage of well meaning humour round here.
I was honestly trying to help, if you struggle to read small text then typing big only helps you read your posts, for the rest I thought you'd appreciate knowing you can do something about it.. Honestly, it was just a thought..


Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 06 March 2007 at 7:13pm
Originally posted by odc04r odc04r wrote:


<SNIP>

Congrats on your new scoops Levyte!


Cheers...  New to me anyway

@Tony: This will seem like a weird question, but which drivers are in these boxes of mine Tony ?

Was so knackered re-organisng my storage to swallow the 4x ASS monsters, I have'nt gone back yet to pull drivers out !!!.




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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 07 March 2007 at 2:56am
Good morning 357
If the source of these cabs has not been interupted, the speakers speakers should be 2240 8 ohms. keep me informed regarding progress with your system.


Posted By: hikk
Date Posted: 07 March 2007 at 3:16am
Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:


Ahem.. I have no recollection of any conversation  involving illiciting plans from anyone... 

 
So will you be measuring them up and sharing with us ,as you know what its like to be in a posistion of deprevation or on the receiving end.
Perhaps this will now become a case of ON YOUR WAY UP? lol
more time
andy


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Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 15 March 2007 at 4:56am
Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

  "BOBBY" THE JBL SPEAKERS WERE HIS IDEA.
HE HAD HEARD AN OLD A.S.S. SYSTEM USEING J.B.L. AND HAD A FIXATION ON THEM. SO HIS WISH WAS OUR COMMAND.
 
Tony, were these JBL 18's not such a good choice ?
 
What's the preffered (better) driver to sound the best in these ASS Scoops ?
 


Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 15 March 2007 at 5:28am

The scoop bin, whether a.s.s. or something else is a very versatile cab when it comes down to speaker choice. no one should doubt the quality of sound from a j.b.l. speaker. sometimes, people want someting other than smooth and clean.
The RX18 cabs that we build contain the B and C 18NW100 (neos). 1850, 186 will always be good. I've always used the biggest amps i could get to ensure headroom. Usually at 8 ohms
hope this helps. T.


Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 25 March 2007 at 2:08pm
Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:

They were still available last night. All the cabs need painting and Grills tarting up, but are structually unbelievable.
 
Respect Levy, I manage to get hold of the last pair of ASS RX18 out of Hammersmith Palais.
 
I now see what you mean by need tarting up, but they weren't that bad.
 
It's only when you own these & stand up next to them you realize how big they are.
 
I stood them up next to Shortmans scoops last night in the van & bwoy, what a difference.
 
Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

the speakers speakers should be 2240 8 ohms.
 
Tony, do you mean these drivers are the JBL 2240H/G 600watters ? (Continous Program Power Capacity whatever that is ?)
What happened to the regular RMS & Peak ?
 
Just checked the specs again & looks like the model 'G' are the 4ohm versions & the model 'H' the 8ohm ones.
 
 
Looking at the label on the back of a driver on Ebay, (a used pair of these which sold for £256.00) there's no power capacity on it.
 


Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 25 March 2007 at 2:27pm
Originally posted by Tekasis Tekasis wrote:

 
Respect Levy, I manage to get hold of the last pair of ASS RX18 out of Hammersmith Palais.
 
I now see what you mean by need tarting up, but they weren't that bad.
 
It's only when you own these & stand up next to them you realize how bib they are.
 
I stood them up next to Shortmans scoops last night in the van & bwoy, what a difference.
 


Well done.

I'm thinking about which drivers to stick in mine till 186's/1850's are back on the scene. Not using my 186's until  drivers/recone kits are readily  available.

Thinking about best drivers I can trust for £100 each used.

Probably Bline 800w, V18, TBX100.

Anyone tried the Celestion FTR18 yet ?



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"Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy".


Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 25 March 2007 at 2:39pm
Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:

I'm thinking about which drivers to stick in them

Thinking about best drivers I can trust for £100 each used.

Prob Bline 800w, V18, TBX100.
 
I know what you mean. I got a feeling the v18's shouldn't sound too bad in them, but PD will be the ruler & will sound a bit lower, if you like the thunderous weight-line.
 
Don't you fancy the B & C Neo's that Tony sells his RX18's loaded with ?
 
One of the members says he loves the sound of his new 6 RX18's he got the other day with these Neos.
 
I tried these RX18 last night with the JBL 2240 driver in a community center & found out one of the speakons ain't connected in one of the cabs.
 
It was Ok but weren't up to my standard (deep/low) so ended up using the Mini scoop from Mr Ultimate which was loaded with a V18-1000.
 
People there couldn't believe when they saw me swapping the large scoop with a smaller one & it sounding much rounder, fuller & more sensitive.
 
 


Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 25 March 2007 at 2:41pm
Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:

Anyone tried the Celestion FTR18 yet ?
 
What you mean, in any cab or in a scoop ?
 


Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 25 March 2007 at 3:20pm
Originally posted by Tekasis Tekasis wrote:



 
What you mean, in any cab or in a scoop ?
 


Both.

Also, please try out V18 in the  RX18,  so we can see what it's like.

Hopefully it'll be nice, so I can get 4x of those till I'm ready for 4x more RX18 and 8x 1850's!!!!.




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"Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy".


Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 25 March 2007 at 3:25pm
With all this driver swapping & testing, you see why I need to use speaker clamps ?
 
Then when I've made my decision & choice, I only have 4 holes from the clamps to fill, not 8 or 16 T-Nut holes with all these different driver hole patterns.
 


Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 25 March 2007 at 3:31pm

Turbomax in ASS that's what I want to try & hear (If it'll fit).

Just been told by Tony ASS himself it won't fit into a standard ASS RX18, it would have to built specially to hold it.
 
Quote Our dim. is 210mm. so the volt would not fit. The cabs would have to altered. If we were making them from new, this of course, would not be a problem.
 
At the moment I have two of Shortmans scoops loaded with v18's & have decided to put a PD1850 in one & a Turbomax in the other, as listening to them play in one stack, they sound very similar to each other. Will look a bit odd though.
 
In the RX18's will either have to be PD's or the B & C's.
 
I hear a lot of talk about the B & C TBX100's & the 18NW100 Neo versions. Hmmmm, never heard them yet.
 
I though RCF got some ruff 18'' drivers out there, not too sure of the model number though, maybe the L18 P300's.
 


Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 26 March 2007 at 10:20am
Originally posted by Tekasis Tekasis wrote:

Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:

<FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>They were still available last night. All the cabs need painting and Grills tarting up, but are structually unbelievable.

 

Respect Levy, I manage to get hold of the last pair of ASS RX18 out of Hammersmith Palais.

 

I now see what you mean by need tarting up, but they weren't that bad.

 

It's only when you own these & stand up next to them you realize how big they are.

 

I stood them up next to Shortmans scoops last night in the van & bwoy, what a difference.

 

Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

the speakers speakers should be 2240 8 ohms.

 

Tony, do you mean these drivers are the JBL 2240H/G 600watters ? (Continous Program Power Capacity whatever that is ?)

What happened to the regular RMS & Peak ?

 

Just checked the specs again & looks like the model 'G' are the 4ohm versions & the model 'H' the 8ohm ones.

 

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Looking at the label on the back of a driver on Ebay, (a used pair of these which sold for £256.00) there's no power capacity on it.

 


The picture of the 18 looks like an old 400 watt speaker. when the new series came out, the speakers had 3 vent holes in the magnet. This of course was to assist the cooling. The 15 " versions I had all caught fire and the weakest point was where the vents were. At that point on the coil the heat sinking had disappeared. I had 32 of them.To their credit JBL replaced all 32 foc. In essense,I think JBL speakers are too delicate for this market in spite of them being exellent speakers overall.


Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 26 March 2007 at 10:28am
Just remembered any so called 600 watt speaker from JBL is the hpl series This will be clearly marked on the label


Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 26 March 2007 at 11:27am
Originally posted by Tekasis Tekasis wrote:

 
 
In the RX18's will either have to be PD's or the B & C's.
 
I hear a lot of talk about the B & C TBX100's & the 18NW100 Neo versions. Hmmmm, never heard them yet.
 
I though RCF got some ruff 18'' drivers out there, not too sure of the model number though, maybe the L18 P300's.
 


Why only PD or B&C in RX18? Wont V18 fit?

@Tony:Didn't you used to supply TBX100 as standard in RX18?


Best Drivers I heard RCF made  were the high efficiency 12's that went into Philishave Midhighs and The L18P300.

However P300 has small Xmax by modern standards.. Even the "new" 1kw version.




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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 26 March 2007 at 11:47am

Any of the B and C speakers will fit the RX 18.

Yes we have supplied the RX 18 with the TBX speaker

The volt was never a consideration for the cab because when the cab layout was done the volt 18 didn't exist

The 12 RCF you refer to was the L12P24. This was a wonderfull speaker. Dave Martin used it in his Phillis and we used it in the low mid cab in our early concert system. For some mad reason RCF stopped making it and never came up with anything quite so good

I have no experience with the latest RCF speakers, so i can't comment.


Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 26 March 2007 at 12:33pm
Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:

Why only PD or B&C in RX18? Wont V18 fit? 
 
They'll fit regarding the depth, but more than likely, the driver hole will have to be made larger by filing, hole saw or by any means necessary.
 
Most scoops, you can't get a jigsaw in once the cab has been assembled & the front face on. 
 
Scoops I made years ago had a removable front held down by loads of large screws & were loaded with rear mounted drivers.
 
Only thought I got regarding the v18, is I think the PD1850's will drop a bit lower. (Well they do in Shortmans boxes).
 
Not sure about the B & C's though. They'd need to be tried & tested first.
 
Don't get me wrong, the v18 will more than likely sound very good in the RX18's, but if you really like low bass, PD's are doing it for me.
 


Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 27 March 2007 at 3:25am

If only we could get them.


Posted By: Rog
Date Posted: 27 March 2007 at 6:35am

Who ever said the V18-1000 would be good in scoops.

Vas is far to low to give it any real low end in a scoop. I designed it for long front loaded horns.

V18-1200 has the right specs for a scoop.


Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 27 March 2007 at 6:57am
Originally posted by Rog Mogale Rog Mogale wrote:

V18-1200 has the right specs for a scoop.
 
If only we could these too (at the right price).
 
As you keep mentioning it Rog, does this mean you've changed your mind ? Will we be able to get them then ?
 
From what I've heard in my old cabs, the V18-1000's didn't sound too good in Mr Dubz scoops.
 
People on here has said they sound very good in Super Scoopers.
 
I've heard them sounding better/lower in Shortman's scoops.
 


Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 27 March 2007 at 7:12am
Question Rog,
 
I heard a Double bandpass cab loaded with two V18-1000's which sounded crazy to me. (for Jah Marcus Sound System - didn't you design that ?)
 
Anyway, If the same cab was loaded with two V18-1200's would the results be even better or are the parameters of both drivers too different.
 
I won't even ask about the V18-1100BP at this time.
 


Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 27 March 2007 at 7:54am
18Sound drivers in ASS scoops.
 
Why ain't no one trying them ?
 
The guys with spare cash to blow, come on, you may just surprise some of us with the results.
 


Posted By: Rog
Date Posted: 27 March 2007 at 9:35am
The V18-1000 will work better in scoops with smaller front chambers, thats the space behind the woofer, as the compliance is small. Larger compliance woofers will work much better with larger front chambers.
 
Some V18-1200's have been built in the uk and I told Alex to send some to Mark Irration to see what he makes of them. Don't know if he has yet. Again compliance on the V18-1200 is bigger than the V18-1000, but is still not massive like a Wembley Bline woofer. So the V18-1200 suits front chambers that are a bit bigger than the super scooper, but not as large as some scoops I've seen.
 
Its all about matching the compliance with the front chamber. Large compliance woofers work well with larger front chambers and will play lower, but will not be as loud as low compliance woofers in scoops with smaller front chambers. These scoops will not play as low but will be loud, hard and in ya face. All depends on how many scoops you are going to use. If its only ever 3 or 4 in a stack then go with a larger front chamber and high compliance woofer. If you always use 6 or more in a stack then use a small front chamber with low compliance woofer as having a lot of scoops will slow down the transient response and drop the high corner frequency. So scoops that are a bit too fast and play high well are the ones you need if you plan on using lots all the time.
 
I designed the V18-1200 with a medium compliance so that it will cover most bases. The scoop I designed around that woofer used a medium sized front chamber and is the loudest and lowest scoop I've ever heard. I built a lot for some mates out in yard and they love them so much that I've got to do a load more for them. They even took some woofers out and tried them in other scoops on the island and I've had to send out loads of woofers too as everyone wants them in their scoops.
 
So lets see what Mark thinks if hes got the woofers yet. It all depends on what his scoops are like. I've not tried the V18-1200 in all the scoops there are, so I might just have been lucky that they sounded so good in the scoop I designed for them.
 
One thing I do know is that they don't bottom out like the PD's do. Thats the bad thing about the 1850, just as it strarts to make a really good noise the coil hits the back plate. The coil on the V18-1200 is longer than the PD's but the maxiumum excursion is a lot higher too.
 
As to the bandpass cabs. You need a really stiff cone as the design places a lot of stress in that area. Its worth trying the V18-1200 in a bandpass as the specs would be good, but I'm not too sure the cone is up to it. The cone on the V18-1000 is rock hard and really suited to long horns and bandpass cabs. If you don't put the V18-1200 in a scoop then put it in a bigger version of the G sub and stand well back. If you get the design right you should be able to hit around 130dB at 30Hz, which is no laughing matter for a double 18 reflex. Has to be around 500 litres though so not the smallest of boxes ever.
 
Don't know who did the design for the Marcus system. Top bloke though as they do make some serious noise.
Watch this space   http://www.sweetim.com/defaultie.asp?ref=10">  


Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 27 March 2007 at 9:49am

Job waiting Rog


Posted By: ceharden
Date Posted: 27 March 2007 at 9:49am
Originally posted by Rog Rog wrote:

If you don't put the V18-1200 in a scoop then put it in a bigger version of the G sub and stand well back. If you get the design right you should be able to hit around 130dB at 30Hz, which is no laughing matter for a double 18 reflex. Has to be around 500 litres though so not the smallest of boxes ever.


Interesting.  One of my mates has some twin 18" cabs originally designed for the Aura NRT18-8 and it's a 280L per driver cab tuned to about 33Hz.  I've been looking hard to find a suitable driver for it but most of the usual candidates don't like a cab that big.  The Aura driver is too hard to get hold of and way too expensive.  Would the V18-1200 be suitable?  Sounds like it from what you've said.




Posted By: Rog
Date Posted: 27 March 2007 at 10:16am
Yeah could work well. Look at the other thread with the pics of the V18-1200, I've posted a design for a reflex box that is 500 litres, can't remember the Vb. Think it uses 2 x 8" ports. Will dig it out later and run it by you.
 
Thank you Tony, means a lot coming from a man like yourself. But do I have to get the ice creams in when the van comes round.
 
Another rule of thumb with scoops and compliance is try to make the front chamber 4 times less than the Vas. So if the woofer has a Vas of 200 litres then make the front chamber 50 litres. Woofers with a high Vas of around 400 need a front chamber of around 100 litres to work well.
 
The problem with large front chambers is that the horn path is shorter for a given cabinet size. This tends to make the woffer uncouple at a higher frequency and thorw will not be as far as with a small front chamber longer horn. Also try and aim for a driver resonance 3 to 4Hz lower than the 1/4wl tuning of the horn. This will add a bit of reactance and add a small amount of gain around the cutoff. But at the expense of a steeper rolloff.
 
Rog.


Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 27 March 2007 at 10:23am
Originally posted by Rog Mogale Rog Mogale wrote:

Some V18-1200's have been built in the uk and I told Alex to send some to Mark Irration to see what he makes of them.
 
So what you sayin' ? If they blow Mark's mind, are we on for getting a few  ?
 
Originally posted by Rog Mogale Rog Mogale wrote:

Again compliance on the V18-1200 is bigger than the V18-1000, but is still not massive like a Wembley Bline woofer. 
 
So what does this make the B-Line drivers good/better for ? Scoops with small rear chambers or large rear chambers, reflexe cabs ? or both ? G-Sub maybe ?
 
Originally posted by Rog Mogale Rog Mogale wrote:

 Watch this space  
 
You Bet!!!
 
You looked into the TurboMax 1200's yet Rog ?
 
Cheers for the reply, well explained.
 


Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 27 March 2007 at 10:26am

Rog regarding icecreams. Being the junior, you certainly would have to get them.
On the work side, I have always wanted someone here that knows what I know plus a lot more, but it never seems to happen. I'm sure you understand my sentiment. I have to have all the conversations with myself.


Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 27 March 2007 at 11:05am
Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:


Rog regarding icecreams. Being the junior, you certainly would have to get them.
On the work side, I have always wanted someone here that knows what I know plus a lot more, but it never seems to happen. I'm sure you understand my sentiment. I have to have all the conversations with myself.
I have to have all the conversations with myself.i use a wall

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Posted By: COWFOOT
Date Posted: 27 March 2007 at 10:50pm
Are scoops ideal for today's dancehall reggae or would the Looney bins be more suitable?


Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 28 March 2007 at 12:20am
Originally posted by COWFOOT COWFOOT wrote:

Are scoops ideal for today's dancehall reggae or would the Looney bins be more suitable?
bit to fast i would say 

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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 28 March 2007 at 3:03am

You could always use a delay line


Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 28 March 2007 at 4:14am
Originally posted by COWFOOT COWFOOT wrote:

Are scoops ideal for today's dancehall reggae or would the Looney bins be more suitable?
 
Looneys would be ok for Dancehall reggae but not for Roots reggae, especially Dub music.
 


Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 28 March 2007 at 5:18am
I ment the looney's would be

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Posted By: Rog
Date Posted: 28 March 2007 at 7:39am
Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:


Rog regarding icecreams. Being the junior, you certainly would have to get them.
On the work side, I have always wanted someone here that knows what I know plus a lot more, but it never seems to happen. I'm sure you understand my sentiment. I have to have all the conversations with myself.
 
What. As in the third person. Your'e weird...... haha
 
 
 
As you asked about the BLine woofers and just incase anyone missed it last time, I'll run by the different types woofers tend to belong to.
 
Type 1.
 
Woffers for long folded horns. These will have a lowish Fs, less then 35Hz. A Vas below 250, low Qts (less than 0.25) and a high BL. Cones will normally be stiff and heavy, (> 200 g). Surrounds will normally be double roll (which adds distortion as its not a symmetrical load between the rolls. I.e. the half way point of the surround is not where the two rolls meet). Spiders will normally be dual with around 10 to 15mm spacing. Coils will be over 25 mm winding length with shortish gaps. PD 1850 and V18-1000 are in this group. Although many compare these two woofers, the V18-1000 has a lower Qts and lower Vas, meaning it really wants to be in a very long horn. Reflex is out of the question with type 1 woofers, but bandpass is ok and scoops are ok as long as the front chamber is not too big.
 
Type 2.
 
General purpose bass. Fs will be around 32 to 42Hz. A Vas of between 270 and 350. Qts's will be above 0.26 but not above 0.42, BL's will be 17 to 24 and cones will be lighter than type 1 woofers. Surrounds will normally be double roll and they may or may not have dual spiders. Coils will be around 20 to 26 mm winding length. PD 184, P Audio C18 650EL, V18-1200, Fane 18XB and most Beyma's are all in this group along with many other woofers. This type of woofer if its an 18" will require a reflex box of between 120 to 240 litres depending of the Vas, to work correctly. Scoops sound good with this type of woofer as there not too fussy about the front chamber size. Bandpass is just about ok if you don't go mad with the power levels as the cones are normally lighter and can fold under too much power. For the same reason folded horns are not the best cabinet for these woofers. The sound will be ok in folded horns and might be a bit warmer and play a bit lower than type 1 woofers in horns, but the cones are not really up for a seroius thrashing in a long folded horn.
 
Type 3.
 
General purpose bass/midrange. Fs will be around 40 to 50Hz. These are the woofers to use if you want something to go with a compression driver for fullrange use. They are basically the same as type 2 woofers, but the better ones will only have a 3" instead of 4" coil, a single spider and a pleated surround. They can also have a double roll surround, but the pleated edge will have less distortion and greater effecicency. Note that Fs will be higher though. Drivers good for upper bass come into this class as well, but need a double roll surround not pleated. 
 
Type 4.
 
Mush motors. Fs will be low, less than 35Hz. Vas will be massive (380 or more). Qts will be very high 0.43 and above. BL's will less than 18 N/A. Surround will normally be multiple roll, i.e. 2 to 4 rolls, which is not the same as a pleated surround. Pleated has sharp edges, mutilple roll has a smoother round over. Coils will be around 24 to 28 winding length and can use both single or double spiders. Cones will normally be on the light side. There a bit like type 1 drivers and can share a lot of the same components, but the motor system is a lot weaker than type 1 woofers. Woofers in this group are Wembley Bline, Eminence Kilomax and the PD 186 almost makes in into this group.  This group of woofers likes big reflex boxes. For 18's a box around 250 to 400 litres with a low tuning will give you some very low bass, but efficiency will be low. Scoops can also sound ok with mush motors if the front chamber is big enough. But don't expect tight bass. If slow and wobbly is what you like then you will be in heaven with this type of woofer.
 
Rog.


Posted By: COWFOOT
Date Posted: 28 March 2007 at 8:11am
I don't think any other site discusses and dissects scoops  as much as this.
 
Great stuff. Bigup oonu chest.


Posted By: COWFOOT
Date Posted: 28 March 2007 at 8:31am
So I hear that big bad immortal sound Stone Love has those new Void driver scoops ah yard. Can anyone in authority confirm?


Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 28 March 2007 at 10:28am
yes they do

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Posted By: TRE4U2NV
Date Posted: 28 March 2007 at 3:09pm
weepo seems very happy with them spoke the other day still upset they cancelled our show in england christmas [police state]

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Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 30 March 2007 at 8:27am
Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

Just remembered any so called 600 watt speaker from JBL is the hpl series This will be clearly marked on the label
 
Your exactly right Tony, just removed the drivers. Some sh*te/dust are behind these grills.
 
On the label, it has 2241HPL / 8ohm, but hasn't got the wattage shown.
 
I see around the edge of the plastic label it's written "Do Not Block Vents" but where the 3 vent holes are, is still covered with a brown looking plastic. They look like a push out type.
 
Should they have been punched through & removed before use ?
 


Posted By: COWFOOT
Date Posted: 30 March 2007 at 4:42pm
Hey Tekasis: How about showing us a closeup pic of the rear of the driver.


Posted By: tb_mike
Date Posted: 30 March 2007 at 6:37pm
Why is the PD186 listed here as a Mush motor,when Q is 0.31
Is it because of the low fs?I tend to think of the Q as dominating the type of mushiness.In particular Qts < 0.38.

A low Vas seems to help alot with reducing excursion below scoop cutoff - effectively doing the same action as a low order electrical filter.

Fs 27hz
Qts 0.31


Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 30 March 2007 at 9:09pm
Originally posted by COWFOOT COWFOOT wrote:

Hey Tekasis: How about showing us a closeup pic of the rear of the driver.
 
 


Posted By: COWFOOT
Date Posted: 30 March 2007 at 10:13pm
Hey Tekasis:I've never heard of brown plastic covers on the vent holes. I've only seen ultra fine mesh  at the entrance.


Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 31 March 2007 at 3:27am
thats normaly a fine mesh like Cowfoot says
turn them upside down and clean with a tooth brush and warm soapy water


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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 31 March 2007 at 5:20am

Thats it. ---easy


Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 31 March 2007 at 5:57am
Originally posted by COWFOOT COWFOOT wrote:

Hey Tekasis:I've never heard of brown plastic covers on the vent holes. I've only seen ultra fine mesh 
 
I know that, I've only ever seen mesh. These JBL's has no mesh. (Maybe they're some type of bogus/replica ones)
 
I'm sure they should've been punched out before use.
 
Look at the rear of these 18'' drivers, no mesh & no cover at all.
 
 


Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 31 March 2007 at 8:06am

Just a small point. Mesh is preferable so as to stop some of the crap getting down to the voice coil. Important with open back cabs.


Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 01 April 2007 at 10:39am
Originally posted by Tekasis Tekasis wrote:

 
I tried these RX18 last night with the JBL 2240 driver in a community center & found out one of the speakons ain't connected in one of the cabs.
 
It was Ok but weren't up to my standard (deep/low) so ended up using the Mini scoop from Mr Ultimate which was loaded with a V18-1000.
 
People there couldn't believe when they saw me swapping the large scoop with a smaller one & it sounding much rounder, fuller & more sensitive.
 
 


JBL 2241 pdf - 

http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pdf/spec/660072.pdf


Yo Tek, was it 2240 or 2241  you got with cabs and tried out?

2241  0.40 qts isn't very scoopish,
VC is not copper,
EBP not so hot,

so not suprised it didnt thunder.

However 98db sens & 1240 Sd says it is efficient and can really shake stuff up.

Looks like these need huge reflex cab like most eminence to impress.




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Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 01 April 2007 at 1:54pm
They were the 2241 versions Levy.
 
Planning to get rid of them though, as they ain't rough enough for what I want them for.
 
You wanna buy them or swop a PD or a V-18 for them ?
 
http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9305&PN=1 - http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9305&PN=1
 
Wonder if they make a good double reflex cab, what you think ?
 


Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 01 April 2007 at 2:32pm
Quote found out one of the speakons ain't connected in one of the cabs. 
 
Also found out that one of the speakers were wired incorrectly, so they must have been played like this for a few years in the club.
 


Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 01 April 2007 at 5:11pm
Originally posted by Tekasis Tekasis wrote:

 
Also found out that one of the speakers were wired incorrectly, so they must have been played like this for a few years in the club.
 


Probaly the +ve not connected to black as PDF states.


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Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 07 April 2007 at 5:31am

Tony, the two RX18's I got the other day has 2 different types of cut out handles on the tops of the cabs. One has been cut out behind the 45degree slanted board, & the other has been boxed out. The one that has been boxed out, will it still have the slanted board in too ?

Any reason for this ? Is one older than the other ?
 
Also, they both have half grills, but are they designed to have full grills fitted like HMSS's ? I notice your grills are in two pieces, not one like the ones I see a lot of the builders do (one sheet).
(I ain't got them with me at the moment so I can't check)
 


Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 07 April 2007 at 5:54am

The boxed out version is the latest. The angle behind is still in place. This was done to stop crap getting in behind the angle
Regarding the grills.You cannot put a full grill on the latest cabs without moving the centre brace that separates them. The brace makes the bottom of the baffle stronger. anyway get off your dammed computer and get along to Redbeards gig. I will see you there if you go. Advice will flow freely.


Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 07 April 2007 at 6:26am
I ain't got no pretty ofiice & just sit at the PC Tone, I'm cutting drilling, recording music & all sorts then flick back to this.
 
Anyway, I'll be there, see you laterz.
 


Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 09 April 2007 at 1:30pm
Originally posted by Tekasis Tekasis wrote:

I ain't got no pretty ofiice & just sit at the PC Tone, I'm cutting drilling, recording music & all sorts then flick back to this.
 
Anyway, I'll be there, see you laterz.
 


Tek, have you tried your v18 in an RX18 yet?

Need to know results ASAP chief, might be trading my PD186's for V18's.


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Posted By: hikk
Date Posted: 10 April 2007 at 1:48am
Originally posted by hikk hikk wrote:

Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:


Ahem.. I have no recollection of any conversation  involving illiciting plans from anyone... 

 
So will you be measuring them up and sharing with us ,as you know what its like to be in a posistion of deprevation or on the receiving end.
Perhaps this will now become a case of ON YOUR WAY UP? lol
more time
andy
 
 
SO I GUESS THATS A NO THEN LEVYTE357?


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Posted By: hikk
Date Posted: 10 April 2007 at 1:50am
Originally posted by Tekasis Tekasis wrote:

I ain't got no pretty ofiice & just sit at the PC Tone, I'm cutting drilling, recording music & all sorts then flick back to this.
 
Anyway, I'll be there, see you laterz.
 
HEY TEK i read somewhere that you have Shortman and Acc scoops? correct?
Well which ones sound the deapest? Which go the lowest? Which are really the BEST to have?
 more time andy


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Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 10 April 2007 at 5:11am
Ain't tested them both side by side yet Hikk.
Might have to keep the results to my self though, as don't want to hear bout no politics or friction again on here.
 


Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 10 April 2007 at 5:22am
Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:

Tek, have you tried your v18 in an RX18 yet?
No, not yet.
 
You gonna allow one of us to cut out the mounting hole slightly bigger on your RX's to allow the v18's to fit, then find out you prefer say the PB1850 in there, then because of the larger hole, you can't fit T-Nuts back in to hold the PD ?
 
That's the decision I got to make first.
If I decide to make that cut, then I'll have to definately have to use clamps.
What you reckon Mykey as you're a clamp hater.

Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:

Need to know results ASAP chief, might be trading my PD186's
 Don't dis the PD186's though.
 


Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 10 April 2007 at 5:52am
Originally posted by Tekasis Tekasis wrote:



You gonna allow one of us to cut out the mounting hole slightly bigger on your RX's to allow the v18's to fit, then find out you prefer say the PB1850 in there, then because of the larger hole, you can't fit T-Nuts back in to hold the PD ?
 


Did you try it already? The existing JBL 2241 baffle cutout in our RX18's  is 427mm, but still used standard 18" bolt patterns. Insomnia said the PD186 fitted with no mods.

I think the V18 cutout is 430mm. So if you only shave 1.5mm, You could crowbar the V18 in, and still be ok for 1850.

The 1850 flange is 476mm, with holes on 456mm diam.

What d'ya think Steve?

Originally posted by Tekasis Tekasis wrote:


  Don't dis the PD186's though.


Of course not.. But it aint it in the RX18 chief.


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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 10 April 2007 at 5:52am
when you bolt in a driver you can sometimes do damage
 
like when you do a head up on an engine block
you have to tighten 1 bolt then diagonally tighten the opposite bolt and so on
 
especially with the 1850 with a 10,000 (inc) gap, when you use clamps on an 1850 you have to put 10 cycles through it while you are tightening them up to stop coil from rubbing
 
if your baffle is slightly bent then play it while your doing them up
 
the rule of thumb is...if a driver has 12 bolt holes! then use them
 
it's like someone sending you an engine, and you only used 1 engine mount instead of 2
 
plus the brackets look ugly


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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 10 April 2007 at 6:08am

 
Originally posted by Hikk Hikk wrote:

HEY TEK i read somewhere that you have Shortman and Acc scoops? correct?
Well which ones sound the deapest? Which go the lowest? Which are really the BEST to have?
 more time andy


Its about the scoop/driver combo mate.

Rog has just designed a scoop driver and scoop cab for it and it looks like it is the Don.

Previous to this ASS/Shortman+1850 was the Don.

If you want top notch scoop performance on the cheap, modify Superscooper/Fane throat/chamber design to match top notch driver, "make box as heavy as possible" and push it with tasty amp.

Quote by Guv Tony-ASS.


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Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 10 April 2007 at 10:12am
Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:

Did you try it already? The existing JBL 2241 baffle cutout in our RX18's  is 427mm, but still used standard 18" bolt patterns. Insomnia said the PD186 fitted with no mods.

I think the V18 cutout is 430mm. So if you only shave 1.5mm, You could crowbar the V18 in, and still be ok for 1850.
 
I didn't actually try it as I took it for granted that the v18 is the biggest out there.
 
Just had a look at both scoops, & strangely enough, one of them has 4 bolts through T-Nuts as if they previously had clamps on.
 
So if any of them is to be trimmed, shaved & crowbared in, it'll have to be this one.
 
I'll keep you posted.
 


Posted By: hikk
Date Posted: 10 April 2007 at 10:42am
Originally posted by Tekasis Tekasis wrote:

Ain't tested them both side by side yet Hikk.
Might have to keep the results to my self though, as don't want to hear bout no politics or friction again on here.
 
 
lol lol lol well meber that THE TRUTH IS AN OFFENCE BUT NOT A SIN...so aslong as you keep it that way nothing can go wrong...
LOL so are you saying with all the noise you have made in the past ,that now SHORTMANS are not up to it?? LOl i mean if they was YOU would BE shouting lol with respect !  OR NOT?


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Posted By: hikk
Date Posted: 10 April 2007 at 10:48am
Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:


 
Originally posted by Hikk Hikk wrote:

HEY TEK i read somewhere that you have Shortman and Acc scoops? correct?
Well which ones sound the deapest? Which go the lowest? Which are really the BEST to have?
 more time andy


Its about the scoop/driver combo mate.

Rog has just designed a scoop driver and scoop cab for it and it looks like it is the Don.

Previous to this ASS/Shortman+1850 was the Don.

If you want top notch scoop performance on the cheap, modify Superscooper/Fane throat/chamber design to match top notch driver, "make box as heavy as possible" and push it with tasty amp.

Quote by Guv Tony-ASS.
 
So save us some time ..LIKE measure yours and share with us ! Like the man say they are not original but to a point stolen from someone else and modified ....
I mean you was willing to do it yourself BUY plans share them and all that SO NOW YOU CAN or what? GEt the ruler out or what!
I mean decreasing someones earnings didnt seem to bother you then ,personaly i think reality will show otherwise..
SO why not NOW lol !
 
I know about the new ROGGER SCOOPS but that wasnt what i am interested in! Anyway HE AINT SHARING so no point in worring about that is there?


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Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 10 April 2007 at 12:25pm
Originally posted by hikk hikk wrote:

so are you saying with all the noise you have made in the past ,that now SHORTMANS are not up to it??
 
I'm not saying that at all, quite the opposite actually. Which noise are you on about anyway ?
 
Note: You see how this thread is running along nice & cool ? I know it's hard, but let's try & keep it like that. Respect the builders everytime.
 
A brief gentle reminder:
Quote 10 of Shortmans scoops completely annihilated Brixton Rec the other day, which is a very big place, & when 12 is used, it's actually unbelievable.
 


Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 10 April 2007 at 8:20pm
Originally posted by Rog Mogale Rog Mogale wrote:

 
Type 4.
 
Mush motors.
 
Woofers in this group are Wembley Bline, Eminence Kilomax and the PD 186 almost makes in into this group.  
 
Scoops can also sound ok with mush motors if the front chamber is big enough. But don't expect tight bass. If slow and wobbly is what you like then you will be in heaven with this type of woofer.
 
Rog, can you or anyone who knows, please explain what a mush motor is ?
 
Cheers.
 
Oh yeah, for a few years now I been hearing that the Eminence Kilomax driver sounds no good in a scoop. No I reading they're ok in certain ones.
 
So didn't no one try it in a scoop with a large rear chamber ? 
 


Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 10 April 2007 at 8:28pm
Originally posted by tb_mike tb_mike wrote:

Why is the PD186 listed here as a Mush motor,when Q is 0.31
Is it because of the low fs?I tend to think of the Q as dominating the type of mushiness.In particular Qts < 0.38.

A low Vas seems to help alot with reducing excursion below scoop cutoff - effectively doing the same action as a low order electrical filter.

Fs 27hz
Qts 0.31
 
 
tb_mike, I think this question of yours got missed by Rog,
 


Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 11 April 2007 at 12:18am
mush motor
Fane Collossus 400


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Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 11 April 2007 at 12:21am
Originally posted by hikk hikk wrote:

Originally posted by Tekasis Tekasis wrote:

Ain't tested them both side by side yet Hikk.
Might have to keep the results to my self though, as don't want to hear bout no politics or friction again on here.
 
 
lol lol lol well meber that THE TRUTH IS AN OFFENCE BUT NOT A SIN...so aslong as you keep it that way nothing can go wrong...
LOL so are you saying with all the noise you have made in the past ,that now SHORTMANS are not up to it?? LOl i mean if they was YOU would BE shouting lol with respect !  OR NOT?
I make Hikk right

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Posted By: Rog
Date Posted: 11 April 2007 at 9:26am
Tek,
 
A mush motor is a woofer with a small and not very powerful magnet/motor system.
 
If you look at what I wrote, it says PD186 almost makes it into the mush motor group. Its specs rate it like a tight woofer, but in reality it shares many parts and some T/S with a mush motor. It behaves more like a mush motor than its specs say, is what I'm saying. Low fs is not a sign of a mush motor.
 


Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 11 April 2007 at 10:45am
Cheers for clearing that up Rog
 
Next, the Eighteen Sound 18LW1400 18'' EXTENDED L.F. Woofer
 
Seems like no one or not many have tried this driver yet in a scoop.
 
Looking at the spec, what do you reckon.
 
Would work in narrow rear chambers or deep chambers?
 
Out of Rog's list, where would this fall into ?
 
Dont this look good ?
 
 
Nominal Diameter 460 mm (18 in)
Rated Impedance 8 Ohm
Continuous Pink Noise  1000 W
Continuous Power  700 W
Program Power  1400 W
Peak Power  7000 W
Sensitivity  98 dB
Frequency Range  28 - 2500 Hz
Power Compression @-10dB  (70 W) 0,8 dB
Power Compression @-3dB (350 W) 2,1 dB
Power Compression @Full Power (700 W) 3,0 dB
Max Recomm. Frequency 500 Hz
Recomm. Enclosure Volume 130 ÷ 350 lt. (4,59 ÷ 12,36 cuft)
Minimum Impedance 6,4 Ohm at 25°C
Max Peak To Peak Excursion 50 mm (1,97 in)
Voice Coil Diameter 100 mm (4 in)
Voice Coil Winding Material copper
Polarity positive voltage on red terminal gives forward cone motion

THIELE SMALL PARAMETERS

 

Fs 31 Hz
Re 5 Ohm
Sd 0,1225 sq. mt. (189,88 sq. in.)
Qms 7,2
Qes 0,31
Qts 0,29
Vas 297 lt. (10,49 cuft)
Mms 190 gr. (0,42 lb)
BL 24,7 Tm
Linear Mathematical Xmax  ± 9 mm (± 0,35 in)
Le (1kHz) 2,3 mH
Ref. Efficiency 1W@1m (half space) 96,5 dB

MOUNTING INFORMATIONS

 

Overall diameter 462 mm (18,18 in)
N. of mounting holes 8
Mounting holes diameter 8,5 mm (0,33 in)
Bolt circle diameter 438-440 mm (17,24-17,32 in)
Front mount baffle cutout ų 416 mm (16,38 in)
Rear mount baffle cutout ų 422 mm (16,61 in)
Total depth 213,9 mm (8,42 in)
Flange and gasket thickness 26 mm (1,02 in)
Net weight 13,3 kg (29,36 lb)
Shipping weight 14,9 kg (32,9 lb)
CardBoard Packaging dimensions 482 x 482 x 257 mm (18,98 x 18,98 x 10,12 in)
 
 


Posted By: Rog
Date Posted: 11 April 2007 at 10:56am

Haven't got the PD184 specs infront of me, but from memory its a bit like a PD184.

I think it would work well in a scoop with a medium size chamber. Also great for reflex. It goes into the general purpose bass drivers list.

 



Posted By: Tom Umney
Date Posted: 17 April 2007 at 6:04am
@Tek: The Beyma 18G50 or 18G550, especially the 18G50 looks to definatly beat PD186 in scoops.
 
http://profesional.beyma.com/ENGLISH/pdf/descarga.php?pdf=18G50.pdf - http://profesional.beyma.com/ENGLISH/pdf/descarga.php?pdf=18G50.pdf
 
Especially how the BL on the 18G50 is 28.8.
 
 
 
 


Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 17 April 2007 at 6:51am
Originally posted by Tom Umney Tom Umney wrote:

@Tek: The Beyma 18G50 or 18G550, especially the 18G50 looks to definatly beat PD186 in scoops.
 
http://profesional.beyma.com/ENGLISH/pdf/descarga.php?pdf=18G50.pdf - http://profesional.beyma.com/ENGLISH/pdf/descarga.php?pdf=18G50.pdf
 
Especially how the BL on the 18G50 is 28.8.
 
 
 
 



Higher BL drivers have sharper power dip in horns between 40-70hz, and sound a bit one note'ish.

I prefer Mid 20's BL for scoops.


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