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Topic: Small PA mixer
Posted By: bcs
Subject: Small PA mixer
Date Posted: 14 April 2017 at 7:15am
Hi everyone.

I am in need of a small mixer, 4 mic inputs, 2 stereo and an effects section would be great but not a must. Just for small jobs so no need taking my huge soundcraft all the time. Anyone has any recommendations.

Mike



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Posted By: Earplug
Date Posted: 14 April 2017 at 9:35am
Take a look at Yamaha MG or A&H ZED range.


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Posted By: Soundscape
Date Posted: 14 April 2017 at 4:02pm
This Soundcraft EFX8 is on ebay at the moment:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Soundcraft-EFX8-Mixing-Desk-Mixer-with-Lexicon-FX-Effects-Band-Karaoke-PA-/322481162155?hash=item4b156007ab:g:WV8AAOSwTM5Y7iM5" rel="nofollow - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Soundcraft-EFX8-Mixing-Desk-Mixer-with-Lexicon-FX-Effects-Band-Karaoke-PA-/322481162155?hash=item4b156007ab:g:WV8AAOSwTM5Y7iM5

I have an EFX8 & EFX12 and find them ideal for small setups e.g. acoustic sets in bars/pubs.
Built in FX is very handy.



Soundscape/Steve


Posted By: dylan-penguinmedia
Date Posted: 14 April 2017 at 4:56pm
Worth taking a look at the new Soundcraft Signature series...


Posted By: bcs
Date Posted: 15 April 2017 at 2:36pm
Thanks guys.

After doing some research I've narrowed it down to two.the zed 60 10fx and sound craft signature 10. Any thoughts on which I should go for.

Mike


Posted By: dylan-penguinmedia
Date Posted: 15 April 2017 at 2:47pm
The Zed is more 'consumer' than the Soundcraft.
Short faders too from memory.


Posted By: Soundscape
Date Posted: 15 April 2017 at 11:24pm
I wasn't sure if you wanted to buy new or used - have to agree with Dylan that the Signature series is definitely worth a look.



Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 7:12am
I'd rather have no desk than use a Zed.


Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 1:06pm
Originally posted by toastyghost toastyghost wrote:

I'd rather have no desk than use a Zed.

Not an unfair comment.

My advice, by an X-Air, the days of lumping around analogue desks and racks are SO gone!!!!


Posted By: bcs
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 2:09pm
Signature 10 it is then. Is the zed really that bad?

Mike


Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 2:55pm
The Zen has the same prob as the signature, no EQ.

For years I have wished someone would make a decent small desk, like 8 channels of Soundcraft Series 4 In with 4 auxes, but they don't they all have an EQ that would be more use on a Karaoke machine.

From Memory the signature series doesn't even have insert points, with renders it completely useless for even a single mic live job.

The Behringer XR12 is the same money with a decent feature set, I'd join this century and get one of those...



Posted By: bcs
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 11:32am
Thanks guys for the feedback. I came across a Yamaha MG12/4fx mixer in pristine condition for a good price. What are your opinions on this mixer?

Mike


Posted By: Earplug
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 1:06pm
A few people I know use them and they seem to do the job - and last longer than the usual Behringer cr@p.  


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Posted By: I-shen Soundboy
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 2:35pm
Originally posted by bcs bcs wrote:

Thanks guys for the feedback. I came across a Yamaha MG12/4fx mixer in pristine condition for a good price. What are your opinions on this mixer?

Mike

Replaced by MGP12X,seen (and bought) second hand for 300 notes or less, and might be more useful if it's in budget. Two Yamaha effects (REV & SPX) built in and enough eq...

I can only compare it to stuff from 20 years ago, but it doesn't appear to be missing anything fundamental, other than a few dozen channels and more aux busses. Certainly well specified for a mini mixer.


Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 18 April 2017 at 1:20am
Just understand

Desk needs Comps, EQ, control.

Really why consider junk.

Yamaha make decent drums and amazing bass guitars, they have NEVER made a mixing desk worth a wank.

The Pmxx00 series were awefull.

The digital series just suck.


But why spend good money on a crappy  fader box when you can get a decent mixer for the same money.


Posted By: rish
Date Posted: 18 April 2017 at 1:00pm
Hi all
 
I was also looking at the XR12 lately. My biggest issue is latency if there is any. Maby getting a 5 Ghz router will improve things a lot.
 
Rish


Posted By: kevin tyler
Date Posted: 18 April 2017 at 1:10pm
I thought the Allen Heath zed 10 fx was a brilliant mixer for the price, really well made and the USB in was great because you could link it to a channel with tone controls.

I feel the fx where unusable and I sold mine almost instantly when the x air 12 was released,

Personally I have had a lot of budget mixers, for the money, the x air 12 has to be the way forward.

Kev


Posted By: bcs
Date Posted: 18 April 2017 at 2:08pm
Hi Kev
 
How does the X12 perform. is it user friendly, as asked above do you notice any latency?
 
Mike


Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 18 April 2017 at 2:28pm
I haven't used the internal wifi as we had more than just the berry on the show network, a cheap linksys 5Ghz router with an iPad air was fine.




Posted By: kevin tyler
Date Posted: 18 April 2017 at 2:35pm
Sorry guys

I didn't understand what you meant at first.

I think this is an incredible product for the money.

It's very reliable and when you use a decent external router on 5 gig or otherwise the unit is solid.

I use a single pad for playback of tracks and control of the desk, so every few minutes I jump between the playback and the mixer app, the app connects in a fraction of a second to the router, the only issue I have ever had with this desk was at a huge outdoor gig, I walked to the very back of the audience a long way away from the router, not a great one for the environment which was surrounded by loads of tv re broadcast antenna and wi fi
antennas, I pushed the faders and they didn't move and then when I came back in range there was a huge jump in volume, this was my fault, notbthebdesks. In normal circumstances when you have a pad tied to this desk doing nothing but control, it's a doddle to use and there is no delay (if that's what you mean when you say latency) at all

I was so happy with mine I bought another, there is no going back to a basic 12 ch desk for me, having all them extra routing options and tone options and fx etc absolutely game changing,

Cheers

Kev




Posted By: MattStolton
Date Posted: 18 April 2017 at 2:50pm
I agree with Kevin and Shaggers.

Analogue is just so limiting! Once you have gate/comp/4 band Para EQ/kitchen sink on every input and output, you wonder how you did it on a boring analogue with just a swept mid!

With digital, you have so much, in so little a space. Not so bothered by iPad apps, but can see the appeal of mixing whilst sat at the bar!

I am not a berry hater, amazing for money, but, mewh. Qu by A&H (Qu-SB is equivalent to X12, just more, and 4 times the price!!) is lovely. Just got myself a Qu-16 for hire, so shares my stage boxes from my GLD. Perfect little conference mixer (and cheaper than a Shure Intellimix SCM820!).


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