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    Posted: 29 June 2011 at 11:53pm
Knocked this up today after much reading of djk's past posts, loaded with a pair of 1550's...



Only had a few minutes to test it out but sounds quite punchy and appears to exhibit a bandpass effect, rolling off around 300hz, presumably because of the slot. However it doesn't appear to play as low as simmed. Will give it a better work out, and take some measurements, on Sunday!

The effective vb is 130l tuned to 38hz, filter assisted (thanks to teslaman for that one) to keep size down as the extra volume of the slot is around 30l and the ports another 25l.


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Regarding simms they rarely do go as low as predicted. You would probably get better results with a dedicated reflex driver.  QTS around 0.33 etc.

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Thanks for the info Tony. Will have another look at it. I only used the 1550's as they were available to borrow. I have a pair of JBL 2206 here which might do well above my bandpass sub in this PPSL loading.
Now lets see if I can get one built before sunday Tongue.


EDIT: Just to add, gave the cab some juice on Sunday...It appeared to play much better at low volume than when I tested in my garage. However it became apparant as volume was increased that one of the cones had a  torn surround causing some very strange noises and stopping any further testing. I'm unable to draw any conclusions about the design at this stage but it  certainly looks promising.


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Qts=.21

Nice horn driver, will sound very lean as reflex.

I find Qts=.312 optimum for PPSL, and use 6dB of boost (HPF Q=2) at Fb. This gives minimum size and maximum bass extension.
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ok, im going to ask a stupid question, i have been trying to figure this out for a while.
are the drivers firing together? (are the cones moving towards each other) or are they wired in parallel?
And how are they simmed?
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Originally posted by _djk_ _djk_ wrote:

use 6dB of boost (HPF Q=2) at Fb. This gives minimum size and maximum bass extension.

If I wanted to program this setting into a digital LMS that does not offer variable Q highpass filters (eg the DCX2496) would the same response be achieved by using a flat filter (ie Q=0.707) in combination with a PEQ boost of +6dB, at Fb, with Q=2?
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Originally posted by Mautopsy Mautopsy wrote:

ok, im going to ask a stupid question, i have been trying to figure this out for a while.
are the drivers firing together? (are the cones moving towards each other) or are they wired in parallel?
And how are they simmed?


one of the drivers is wired opposite polarity. simmed as a reflex cabinet.


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"If I wanted to program this setting into a digital LMS that does not offer variable Q highpass filters (eg the DCX2496) would the same response be achieved by using a flat filter (ie Q=0.707) in combination with a PEQ boost of +6dB, at Fb, with Q=2?"

Sorry, I don't know the answer to that one. You might have to ask the manufacturer of the LMS that question. You may have to combine a filter with an eq.

Any analog eq, crossover, or amp with a high-pass filter can be modified; usually two resistors per channel.

(I've been meaning to call Crown and ask about the XTi amplifiers with DSP, if it can be done)
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Originally posted by mikey bear mikey bear wrote:




Originally posted by Mautopsy Mautopsy wrote:



ok, im going to ask a stupid question, i have been trying to figure this out for a while.
are the drivers firing together? (are the cones moving towards each other) or are they wired in parallel?
And how are they simmed?


one of the drivers is wired opposite polarity. simmed as a reflex cabinet.




Probably a stupid question and im guessing the answer will be no but

Would it work if i flipped a driver round in my G-sub and swapped the polarity on the driver?
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Originally posted by Adam_Iron_Horse Adam_Iron_Horse wrote:

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Would it work if i flipped a driver round in my G-sub and swapped the polarity on the driver?

That would work just fine.
Just... why would you do that ?
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this is the best info i have been able to find with regard to deriving lms  settings from high pass filters with a particular q...
 

i am yet to fully put this info into practice but will be using the 40hz alignment on my mk2 ppsl cab.
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ah ha! glad ive seen this. new on here an was just asking on newbie page about a compact 2 x18" solution (didnt know about this page). really interested in how this turns out for you.

im assuming you calculate the volume and port as reflex but what about the slot?


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