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Having two amps in the same rack where one cools front-to-back & the other back-to-front shouldn't really be an issue unless the rack is sat somewhere with very poor airflow around it to begin with.
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No way, that can be a massive problem on normal stages. Have seen it happen, you just end up with a cycle of increasingly warm air. 
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Originally posted by odc04r odc04r wrote:

No way, that can be a massive problem on normal stages. Have seen it happen, you just end up with a cycle of increasingly warm air. 
 
 
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If the rack is in a corner or close in behind the stack I can see it being a problem, hence why I want to have everything going the same way.


I'm now thinking it'll be easier to modify the other amp (which is well out of warranty) using some folded plastic inserts to tunnel the air from the heatsinks to the fans (see yellow arrows below) with the fans reversed to become exhausts.

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if theres the room in the front of the case it self.... i would at least double up on fans if your gonna turn them round to draw air out the back. i.e put another pair at the front blowing onto the 'sinks and the rears removing what they can from the case.

it is a nise idea to put in plastic inserts but its not just the 'sinks that your cooling the PSU itself gets a little warm to and you dont want to stop air flowing arond that now do you?

12v computer fans dont draw that much current so the doubling up of fans wont be to much of a problem.  just the mounting them to the front might be.

but thas my experience of computer cooling applied to amps 
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Due to the concerns of circulating air currents I installed one amp back to front in relationshion to the others. Doesn't look the best although it gives me reassurance that air flow problems won't occur.
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Originally posted by tomr_29 tomr_29 wrote:

If the rack is in a corner or close in behind the stack I can see it being a problem, hence why I want to have everything going the same way.


I'm now thinking it'll be easier to modify the other amp (which is well out of warranty) using some folded plastic inserts to tunnel the air from the heatsinks to the fans (see yellow arrows below) with the fans reversed to become exhausts.



This design has more transistors close to the fans and less of them the farthest away from the fans. Fresh air at the beginning of the heatsink has more capacity to take up heat. Farther down the heatsink the air is already warmer with less heat dissipating capacity. Now in some amplifiers, you can swap amp modules from left to right and/or upside down and still have all connectors in place with some minor cable rerouting, cut and replace a few tie-wraps or so. If possible with this particular amp, I would place the fans in front, blowing front to back, so you have the same setup it has now, but flow reversed and heatsinks placed the right way in combination with the fans.
Just flipping the fans around, could work on a not to heavy charged amplifier (8 Ohm loads, compression drivers,..), but even so, you'll never know in what kind of environment they sometimes have to perform (sun shining full on your racks, real warm weather, confined spaces,...).
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Mate has racks containing  QSC/Crown Macrotech, and never has thermalling/over heating problem.

But then he doesn't 2 ohm load, clip, or abuse amps, and always sufficient ventilation around rack. Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ceharden Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 August 2012 at 2:08pm
And Macrotechs (except 5000) vent out of the sides so neither front or back.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote colinmono Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 August 2012 at 2:32pm
I have used a Macrotech 5000 (front to back cooling) in a rack below several C-Audio amps (back to front) which ran ok; I put the Macrotech at the bottom of the rack and the two amps driving the lightest load above it (comp drivers and monitors).

Not ideal of course but with care may be ok. The first time I did it I used a large cardboard airflow diverter stuffed between the amps (I am not recommending this - doesn't look very pro never mind the potential fire risk haha).

Another option: add an external floor fan blowing sideways across the rack.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kedwardsleisure Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 August 2012 at 3:10pm
Most of the versions of amp in the picture have the air drawn out of the back.
Bear in mind those fans will be variable speed so consider what bigger or more fans might do to the vari-speed circuit. Also, see where the bias temp compensation is sensed in case your modified airflow upsets the bias under differing temperatures...not that it should, too much
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veri-speed?... you could just short it and have them on all the time at full wack with four fans.  should keep you mostly cool. in fack why not just test the theory.

stick some subs on both channels and play something real bass heavy and check the temp of both sinks after 20mins and then every 5 mins after that (an infra-red temp gun is hand for this) and take notes.

wen i do pc's i always soak test everything before     it leaves my house and that means getting the cpu to run at alomost 100% for different lengths of time watch and loggin temps to make sure she dont "fall over"

might be a wast of an hour or two but at least your know for sure 
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