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    Posted: 03 March 2009 at 12:10am
I wanted an easy, visual method of checking load drawn, over three 240v single phase supplies used for lighting and sound.

I could not find anything within my budget and did not fancy building from scratch so I looked for a product to modify.

The closest I could find was a three phase Showtec PSA 161 with nice ammeters readable from a good distance.

I have modified the input a little so three seperate single phase supplies can now be used as inputs. The common neutral has been replaced with three seperate neutrals. The earth remains common to all inputs.

Pictures of before and after are below.

Please note, this modified product is for my use only.

If you can see something that I have done wrong, please comment. I dont wish to kill anybody.


































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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Marvin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 March 2009 at 12:53am
cant give any electrical feedback but what you have done issimilar to what i wanted to do with that same unit but not using powercon's. Yours looks good.
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thankyou Smile

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the problem is that your 16a mcbs will never ever trip the 13a plug fuses will! but i guess you realise.

i have the work 323 or something differing oem, the 32a version of yours tho, which i just made a selection of cables, single phase commoned to three phase tail inputs, so all three ammeter's are fed with the same phase, much easier and the breakers are all still useable.
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I was not worried about using the breakers, they have become a worst case scenario backup. I was after the readable ammeters. Dont think I'm ever going to do an event where I shall be able to find 32a, i am just happy if I can find more than one or two outlets and I feel positively spoiled if I can find three. Smile
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Originally posted by minaximal minaximal wrote:


i have the work 323 or something differing oem, the 32a version of yours tho
 
do you have a product name or number or make or anything for this 32 amp version? i was thinking of doing a similar thing to this myself...
 
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Should I ever be lucky enough to end up in a venue with 16amp power available I shall just drop the 13a plug to 16a fly leeds.

32amp version, try this:
Showtec 50612 PSA-321 Power distribution 3 x 32 amp Voltage & amperage display

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Hmmm theyre well expensive!!! Bit outta my price range... unless i can find a broken one or something. does depend whats broken though.
 
Is there any where you can buy ammeters of some kind, but for higher current feeds such as 16a? had a quick look a while ago but found nothing at all... It wouldnt be too hard to create some kinda unit to house them and wire it up right...
 
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16amp version is much cheaper. Smile

I was going to create a unit from scratch but the sum of the parts was more that the cost of the 16amp version.

If you look in the case, behind the powercons you will see three coils, through each of which passes the live feed. This coil is used to measure current draw, which in turn in displayed on lcd.

Might it be possible the existing coils could measure a higher current draw, only needing the breakers to be swapped for 32amp type C ?

I hope someone with far greater understanding will be able to enlighten us.

In the meantime, if anything I have said is wrong I apologise in advance.
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Oh yeah i think i see what you mean...

16a is probly more useful, as i doubt il get a 32a supply, plus the price difference... 32a isnt necessary
 
Can you just get the coils connected to a meter, either digital or analogue? will have to check it out, but again like you said, price may be high...
Thanks tho
 
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If your only measuring one circuit just buy a £30 to £40 clamp meter and pass the live cable through it.
I only went for the big lcd's so I could keep an eye on it from FOH position.
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Ah-ha thats the sorta thing i need!
 
Is it possible to get a similar thing, or just something like that to measure the current and maybe voltage, that can be chopped up and maybe rackmounted? Im not so familiar with electrical bits and bobs. thanks for pointing that out tho, I'd been looking for that kinda thing for a while.
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