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    Posted: 30 June 2016 at 11:13am
Hi guys

I'm getting cold feet on purchasing moving heads and I'm drifting back to more conventional lighting.

For lighting up my duo, and my band

What are your opinions on these single cob led pars compared to the 4 color led pars.

Sorry but no one around here has nice gear to go and look at so I'm sort of at the mercy of thoman,

Stairville vs camelon

http://www.thomann.de/gb/cameo_multi_par_cob_lighting_set.htm

Vs

http://www.thomann.de/gb/stairville_clb8_compact_led_bar_8_rgbw_8w.htm

Both units are about 400 euros for 4 cans a bar and a stand.

All advice appreciated.

Thanks

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Edited by kevin tyler - 30 June 2016 at 11:15am
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I have a mix of RGB, RGBW, RGBA and RGBWAUV, and my preference is for the RGBA, or RGBWAUV.

My RGBA is the little and cute prolight 7Q5, mostly for uplighting scenery, but powerful enough for PA56 type band duties.

I have two types of RGBWAUV, one waterproof, and one traditional, which are 2W per colour, with 18 sets of 12W "lamps" in one par56style. Around 40 degree. 8 of those recently did a stage, four out-front, and 2 on trees either side of stage, front corners. Had to pull the dimmer channel right down, properly nudging PAr64 performance.

One big thing to consider, is the heads personality, and how that will work with your method of control. If you only have 8 faders per head, a personality with 9+ channels will be awkward. Many heads offer different personalities, from a menu, so you can put them on simple mode from a (foot) controller, and increase channel count for use with a bigger controller, for bigger events.
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One thing to look out for is the COB units tend to have a wider beam angle, so whilst great as floods and colour washes, you don't tend to get much in the way of a beam out of them. Not to say you can't get a beam from a COB unit, they just tend to be wider. We have both 40° and 20° LED cans in stock, for different uses. The zoom cans we have tried have not been deemed solid enough to invest in yet
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I´ve got the earlier version of these:

http://www.thomann.de/gb/stairville_clb4_compact_led_bar_4_tripar.htm

100€ cheaper than the one´s you posted and do the job very well. And with Thomann you can always send them back if you don´t like them!   Smile


Edit:  And they have optional footswitch!!!   LOL LOL LOL




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I've got 8 of the ADJ MegaTriPar Profile's which are 7xRGB.  Colour mixing is good and they're pretty bright.  8 of them fit in a carry bag with some cables.
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Hi guys

Thanks so much for all the suggestions, it's a lot to take in but im going to have a good think before I push " spend".

I have some 4w tri LEDs par cans that have a footswitch, they are good enough for what I need I think, they are made by show lite, only a year old and hardly used, a bar with four on, I was going to try and buy another set but can't find them in stock anywhere, I guess the stairvilles are nearly identical apart from the footswitch connection, however I figured if I had odd banks of lights, and set one to master and one to slave that I might get odd results? But this would save me some cash if it worked together.

Right now I am miles away from programming lights and buying fancy dmx to midi converters etc, so would like to add a bank of four to what I already own if that's possible, but I doubt it is?

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Hi guys

I have just compared the footswitch of the stairville lights with that of the showlite, and they offer different functions, do you think if I put one on slave and one on master they might do the same thing when connected by a dmx lead ?

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The footswitch and DMX are separate controls. Nothing to do with each other.


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Cheers Yes I know that

What I am asking is this, if was to buy a stairville unit which is similar to my showlite, but has a different footswitch with different functions than my existing lights

With the stairville on master and the showlite on slave mode connected with an xlr cable, if I push the buttons like color/ auto blackout, etc, on the showlite foot controller, would both units do the same thing, I am guessing no.

So I have just ordered two of the stairville bars with 8 w quad LEDs rgbw, I couldn't convince the missus or even the baby that I needed the more expensive jobbies.

Many thanks

Kev

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Depends on the exact implementation of the head's personalities.

If the "master" that receives instruction to do whatever from foot switch, sends true "DMX" to slaves, and all the heads have the same personality (R Ch1, G Ch2, B Ch3, Dimmer Ch4) etc, it may work. However, often Master/Slave operation sends a command to run pre-recorded shows in slaves, with master sending "clock" commands as much as DMX, which is subtley different.

I doubt it would do too much damage stringing them up, but if it don't work....
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The only way is to try it. I doubt that it would actually damage anything, but you may get some interesting lighting effects.


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Thanks so much guys

I have hopefully sold the other lights and will buy a matching pair

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