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Mathias S
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Posted: 22 November 2014 at 3:59pm |
Hi.
I came across some old Peavey DTH 218b speakers, 2 on each side 4 in total. There have been many replaced drivers in the system so the drivers are at different age.. The left side of the system looses alot of bass when i play with both sub speakers, if i disconnect the one i get alot more bass. my concern is that the speakers work against eachother because of the difference in the drivers due to age.. Both subs get power from the same amplifier Crown CE2000 but from different channels.. The input signal is paralell to both channels. Solutions? Two of the speakers are standing side by side standig up on each side of the stage. The ports of the speakers are standing close to eachother so maby if i lay the speakers down to the side i will get more distance from the ports and then the speakers won't react to eachother. I hope someone can help me with this one :D Best regards Mathias Salomonsen Edited by Mathias S - 22 November 2014 at 4:00pm |
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monkeypuzzle
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That sounds like one box or one driver in a box is out of phase (wired the wrong way round). Check through the system to see if its all wired the right way around. It could also be one of the cables going to the cab so check this as well. Connecting a battery to the wires that go to the back of the amp should make all the drivers pop out in one direction.
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Mathias S
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Thank you! :) i will test that! but in the the DTH 218b one driver is mounted the opposit way than the other.. how should they be wired ? opposite or same?
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jammin75
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+1 sounds like out of phase had this problem before running one scoop had thunder linked a second killed the thunder half an hour before dance was gonna start sorted it just in time
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Conanski
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In this case the reversed driver must be wired in reverse polarity, go through all the boxes with a 9v battery to ensure all drivers move out in unison when positive batttery voltage is applied to the positive input, and also check that all speaker cables are wired straight through... no wires crossed.
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Mathias S
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But if some speakers are old and some new can that be an issue when the ports are so close to eachother?
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taurusty
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Nope.
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MattStolton
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There may be some very very small difference in compliance of suspensions between old and new, and and old driver may have some partial thermal damage of its voice coil, from the event that killed the other drivers, but from what your describing, it is a phase problem, i.e. one cone/cabinet is moving forwards on a +ve signal, and the other is moving backwards, relative to the audience.
Those peaveys are further complicated by having one driver magnet out, and one cone facing out. For a +ve signal applied, you want both drivers to move towards the audience. Make sure the same happens on all your boxes, and job done, all in phase, and maximum chance of making some useful noise. So from speakon 1+, for the driver that is cone facing audience, make sure it is connected 1+ to +ve on driver. For the other driver (magnet out), make sure speakon 1+ is connected to -ve on driver. This ensures that on +ve signal applied to 1+, both drivers move towards audience, at the same time. Repeat for all cabinets. Obviously speakon 1- goes to the other speaker terminals.....
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Greg32
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Also check that something in the signal chain doesn't have the phase reversed, I have an analogue xover that has phase invert switches on the rear that are easy to bump. that only applies if the drivers are all individually powered. Greg
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kedwardsleisure
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Don't take it as read that applying +ve to the +ve terminal will push the cone out.
I have mentioned it before but to remind people...I had an Ohm MR228 (2 x 8in side by side drivers) that had been reconed and couldn't reproduce any low frequencies; one of the drivers pulled the cone in with +ve on the + terminal. The reconer had wound one coil the opposite way. |
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Bet that was fun to troubleshoot!
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kedwardsleisure
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No..first thing I checked.
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