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    Posted: 06 September 2016 at 12:51pm
This was posted on another forum, and really caught my attention...
Sure are making the "JAB 2" series, of TPA3116/3118 amps with Bluetooth 4.0 APTX as well as aux input
There are options for breakout boards, and even a battery management solution for charging lithium cells


It's appealing as a simple, almost turnkey, solution for portable rigs
Not super powerful, and you could clump together a bunch of parts to do the same job, but the fact it's simplified and from a reputable manufacturer means this could almost be "the one" to start with

What do you lot think?
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Looks pretty good.

At ~$40 for reasonable bulk and maybe as low as $35 each at production volumes with the bluetooth + interface panel + bms options added, they could form the basis of an ultra-cheap/entry-level/kit-form kind of box, using something like this: http://www.parts-express.com/grs-8fr-8-full-range-8-speaker-pioneer-type-b20fu20-51fw--292-430 + this http://www.ebay.com/itm/30W-18V-Car-Boat-Camping-Solar-Power-Panel-Module-Battery-Charger-Bank-Flexible-/122101706717?var=&hash=item1c6dd42fdd:m:m9laUK66KvAtwmnL1S_5hMQ

Not the ideal woofer but 46 largely glowing reviews suggest it's at very least a bargain at the price. 4 of them in a Boominator style arrangement would pump out 117dB with the Sure board with masses of cone area giving a very respectable amount of rumble.

Add a few lifepo4 cells + one of those cheapo thin flexible Sunpower modules (30w@$40) from eBay to make use of the MPPT capability and you'd have everything you need for a quite respectable system with lightweight battery + respectable amount of solar built in for $130 + cabinet hardware. Even at 1 off prices on all of that you're still looking at just $160 + cabinet hardware for something which could tick a lot of boxes for people on a budget.

One major concern: Notorious Sure QA.. It seems like almost every other person who buys a board from them has something to complain about, from fake components to 100% DOA. Maybe they've cleaned up their act, or perhaps they would take a high volume client more seriously, but if not it's a big risk for any application tbh. "Buy cheap, buy twice".

Anyway that's my thought experiment :) I bet there are loads of other things you could do with that if it actually does what it says on the tin.

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Something like this?


Plastic Adam Hall cabinet corners (@~40p each) + 12mm aluminium edging from I don't know where, basic stuff. Side handles I have no idea but I guess there are some cheap plastic ones that fit the format. One side would be the main panel with all electrics etc the other side would have a panel just for balance that could have operating instructions and such written on it or maybe a little pouch there for putting cables/jack converters/mp3 players and whatnot.

The solar panel I have in mind is this one: http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/30w-High-efficiency-sunpower-cells-ultra-thin-3mm-flexible-solar-panel-for-12v-battery/1282404_32298074884.html the size of the box is dictated by the size of the panel, the corner protectors would cover up the mounting points and it's an all-black panel (picture number 4 is an accurate representation of the product) so it should really look very neat. 

Grille would be aluminum expanded mesh (1 or 2mm thick, flattened) partly for weight partly for cost, and 10 or 12mm foam on top of that, which is probably the only way of keeping the not very sturdy looking woofers halfway protected from the elements, though a light spray of something water-repellent may do more good than harm.  

Plugging the measured parameters from the PartsExpress page (may not be accurate or reliable but from what people are writing, more accurate than the manufacturer's specs) into WinISD (4 drivers in a 62 litre box tuned to 55Hz) gives this result:


Green line, compared with a rough best guess of the Boominator simulated with P Audio HP-10w drivers. Kinda peaky and it really seems too good to be true in terms of efficiency and maximum SPL, but if that's anywhere near accurate it may just be worth the trade-offs for the sake of the target, which is an acceptably good quality extra-loud ultra-budget box.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote lost eden Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 September 2016 at 1:25pm
What are your thoughts on the 3x 18650 board? Seems like it would be a convenient plug-&-play option for smaller builds, but would it be enough power to bother having the JAB2-50 in the first place? If it could do maybe ~10W per channel for 2-3 hours I'd consider it. A nice little wooden box with maybe the spare pair of 3" Tang Band drivers I still have somewhere, that I can just slap a set of 18650 in the back of & connect to over bluetooth sounds lovely! Might not be any way to know whether it will fit longer protected 18650s other than buying it though...
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3x 18650 cells is anaemic for a 100w amplifier. If they're decent ones though, say 3.4ah @ 12.6v that's 42.84WHr. Call it 40WHr, assume 85% amp efficiency and 7:1 music program, you would get 2-3 hours at maximum volume (50w per channel), and at -6dB from maximum or with a varied level program averaging -6dB, 8 hours+

The battery holder is field serviceable, like a TV remote, so if you carried 6 spare cells with you (maybe buy different brands so they could be colour coded not to mix them up) and took advantage of the solar charging function in the daytime you'd have a reasonable chance of round the clock battery life. 
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Well I ordered one to play with, it's been a while since I've had a completely unnecessary audio project to consume my free time :)
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Hey lost eden, have you spent much time with it? any opinion?
I am buying both 30w and 50w boards, might be a while until I can play with them but hope to report back with testing and experiences... 
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