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    Posted: 20 March 2017 at 6:16am
Hi all 

I just made a impulsive buy of some very cheap Tannoy. It's 2x VQ60 and 2x VS218DR and im picking it up later this week.

Music "support" aren't really helping in supplying a preset for this combo even though i have the correct Lin ea Research DSP and i can only find the VQ60 preset in the manual without the sub. The boxes are in the Lake load library but all settings are hidden so can't extract them from here.  

Anyone has the preset/settings for this exact system?

Any experience with these boxes? On paper they look great but searching online gives mixed reviews. 
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I do feel for you with the 'support' from music group.
I have had similar experience recently with Midas and Turbo spares/info.
They seem quick to introduce new stuff, but not so hot on supporting the legacy of the brands they constantly brag about.
Hopefully someone on this forum has the settings to offer you.

I have used the VQ60 at the Waterfront in Norwich a few years back.  They have similar (separate processing and amps - not the active VQnet stuff), and were having discussions with sales rep at the time to obtain the correct/better presets.  
They had the 2x18 / 2x15 / 2x vq60 per side configuration.
The first year i used it there it sounded good.... the following year it sounded amazing!  
I think there were issues at the time when Lake/Lab joined the party and there was a rush to update to use FIR settings vs. the IIR presets supplied when it was installed.
I'm not sure what they ended up doing, but maybe try and contact the tech staff at the venue?

To reassure you about your purchase though, I must mention that the Norwich VQ system replaced 3 stacks a side of KF850/SB850.   And in my opinion, it walked all over it!
The vocal headroom and clarity from the Tannoy compared to the 'industry-standard rider box' made me realise that coaxial compression drivers were the future.

I really hope you get the results you are after, tuned correctly its a great system.
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Ok, thanks for the info. 

Do you know how to contact the Waterfront? 

Can't really seem to find anything online besides ticket sales. 
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One of the boxes designers contacted me and sorted it all out.

Very nice. 
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Quick update.

After getting incontact with one of the designers and getting the newest presets for the OEM Linea Research that Tannoy use i fired up the system for the first time. I can only say WOW! This system rocks. Loud as hell and very detailed and hifi'ish. Seriously impressed. 

Cons are that its HUGE! A 500L reflex sub is the size of a fridge. Its a 10U extra deep and wide rack next to the system. My Floodlighs and TSW-718 suddenly looks compact.  


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Congratulations on this new system!
Can you share crossover, eq and limiter settings here? I'm interested in that sorts of things especially for these little bit egzotic stuff.
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Shure i can give you the settings. 

They load in podware on a 2x6 dsp. 

Gain structure you will need to find your self. 

Limiters are set for 32db fixed gain amps and are RMS. You could loosen them up a bit. 

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Those cabs for sure will sing! low distortion high SPL output from the 12'' woofers, combined with the huge horn in front of the coax BMS driver and low crossover point will bring great true point source behavior with high power handling.
Basically, my ideal midtop except for i would like to have the 12'' hornloaded to reduce the power consumption to that section and increase directivity down low.
The horn on that BMS is absolutely lovely big, i only dislike that it does not have mouth roundover but the sheer size of it gives such good loading and pattern control down low, its already awesome!
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Originally posted by Teunos Teunos wrote:

Those cabs for sure will sing! low distortion high SPL output from the 12'' woofers, combined with the huge horn in front of the coax BMS driver and low crossover point will bring great true point source behavior with high power handling.
Basically, my ideal midtop except for i would like to have the 12'' hornloaded to reduce the power consumption to that section and increase directivity down low.
The horn on that BMS is absolutely lovely big, i only dislike that it does not have mouth roundover but the sheer size of it gives such good loading and pattern control down low, its already awesome!


I knew they would Sound good, but just How Good surprised me. The co-ax is crossed at 450hz and a passive crossover at 8khz.
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Originally posted by Hvedstrup Hvedstrup wrote:

Shure i can give you the settings. 

They load in podware on a 2x6 dsp. 

Gain structure you will need to find your self. 

Limiters are set for 32db fixed gain amps and are RMS. You could loosen them up a bit. 


Thanx!
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I'd really like to hear this speaker , do you know what would run out of steam first , the 12" section or the bms comp ??
The 12" drivers .. Does anyone know what driver they are based on ? Be intersting to know what kinda 12" they've mated up with the big horn !

450hz to 8k you say .. That's like 4 octaves ... That's a huge stretch for a 2" exit compression driver or any driver tbf ...

Can imagine that harmonic distortion figures are a weak point of this speaker ??


Getting 8 kHz range to sound rite on such a big horn isn't ideal especially when it's being generated by a big 2"exit compression driver diaphragm !
Plus the drivers are being pushed to 450 which makes there higher range sound evan worse !

Heard nothing but good reports on these cabs , I'm intrigued to know more about there design !
I run community m200 2"exit comps on the huge jbl 2360 horns and I cross at like 600 hz , can't get em to sound optimal going any lower .. Mayb I'm doing something wrong hahha
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That was you at the watrefront then. I remember seeing the Prodigy and others there. 25 odd yrs ago. It was soooo loud I could feel my ear drums distorting. At the front it was inaudable. Ruined a good gig. I doubt that it was you but just always sticks in my mind. Just too loud. This was the ground floor rig. I don't think it was a tannoy rig then.
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