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F221 has reversed drivers, you 100% on that?

Just wanted to catch up with this post, We now own 6 of Csg's original 3 way mid tops and they definitely do the job.... Nothing but impressed with them & they can outperform most tops that I have heard.

Here's a picture of a party we did earlier this year with them, Only just fit the system in there, it looks too much system for the room but it was a mezzanine so suspended in a bigger room and sounded great.

The only thing I would change would be, that I think the 15" struggles to keep up with the mid & top end, and our bass section. I was debating replacing all 6 of the 15" drivers with a higher powered 15" as i dont think the kappalites are up to the job. Does anyone have a suggestion for this? I dont need to keep them to neo drivers- there are plenty of us in the crew to lift them.

We run them with 12 void looneys like the setup you can see here, (but usually spaced further apart!) And the next stop is to construct a pair of splay boards, each to hold 3 of the tops, tilt them slightly & help with dispersion & stop comb filtering.

Can honestly say it would take a hell of a lot of money to ever persuade me to part with them Smile

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why are you thinking the kappalites are not up to the job? iirc, they have quite big xmax, and it wont get any louder with a different chassis in a BPH, so only thing would be power handling. i dont like power compression, so i would not give any 15" in a sealed chamber more then 500w rms, but offcourse thats up to you.
all bass idea would be mine too.

Here you go. Stick these in them. More bang for your buck

http://www.beyma.com/products/lowmidfrequency/115P80ND8

Mykey Wattco

after a lot of help from forum i was pointed to the PD153er as a cheaper option then the beyma

Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners.

Cheers for your inputs. Would appreciate people opinions on the above drivers, Pro's/cons ect

Are they suited so short horn type sealed enclosures? I beleive the kick section of the cab is similar to that of a HD15, but im no speaker builder, which is why i posted on here, the original build thread

Edited by Requiem - 05 December 2014 at 3:34am

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KidCreole Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 06 November 2013 Location: London (East) Status: Offline Points: 3600	Post Options Post Reply Quote KidCreole Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 January 2014 at 12:33am
	F221 has reversed drivers, you 100% on that?

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	^^ yes they do

Requiem Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 20 January 2011 Location: Bristol Status: Offline Points: 1805	Post Options Post Reply Quote Requiem Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 December 2014 at 3:01am
	Just wanted to catch up with this post, We now own 6 of Csg's original 3 way mid tops and they definitely do the job.... Nothing but impressed with them & they can outperform most tops that I have heard. Here's a picture of a party we did earlier this year with them, Only just fit the system in there, it looks too much system for the room but it was a mezzanine so suspended in a bigger room and sounded great. The only thing I would change would be, that I think the 15" struggles to keep up with the mid & top end, and our bass section. I was debating replacing all 6 of the 15" drivers with a higher powered 15" as i dont think the kappalites are up to the job. Does anyone have a suggestion for this? I dont need to keep them to neo drivers- there are plenty of us in the crew to lift them. We run them with 12 void looneys like the setup you can see here, (but usually spaced further apart!) And the next stop is to construct a pair of splay boards, each to hold 3 of the tops, tilt them slightly & help with dispersion & stop comb filtering. Can honestly say it would take a hell of a lot of money to ever persuade me to part with them
	www.requiem-soundsystem.com Custom Martin Audio WSX, USB & CSG Soundsystem based in Bristol

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	Nice stacks! You could also build some more of the 15" section of the tops a kicks.
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	why are you thinking the kappalites are not up to the job? iirc, they have quite big xmax, and it wont get any louder with a different chassis in a BPH, so only thing would be power handling. i dont like power compression, so i would not give any 15" in a sealed chamber more then 500w rms, but offcourse thats up to you. all bass idea would be mine too.

Requiem Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 20 January 2011 Location: Bristol Status: Offline Points: 1805	Post Options Post Reply Quote Requiem Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 December 2014 at 12:27am
	Im running 3 per side with a Void infinite 6v2 (so this should be plenty of power, as it outputs 1200w per channel at 4 ohms and obviously this would be running at 2.66), and even when i push it, im still not very impressed with the output on them. it sounds nice, but when the bass section and the mid / top are cranked up, the kick section cant keep up. Im not too keen on the idea of more boxes. (for one, where would i put them, on the stack above?) I wouldnt want it any taller and I would want the looney bins coupled in stacks of 6 as they are here. If you think that's as good as im going to get, fair enough, maybe im expecting too much. Was kind of hoping someone would suggest a better driver with more output which would suit the box
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KidCreole Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 06 November 2013 Location: London (East) Status: Offline Points: 3600	Post Options Post Reply Quote KidCreole Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 December 2014 at 12:38am
	Here you go. Stick these in them. More bang for your buck http://www.beyma.com/products/lowmidfrequency/115P80ND8
	Mykey Wattco

Requiem Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 20 January 2011 Location: Bristol Status: Offline Points: 1805	Post Options Post Reply Quote Requiem Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 December 2014 at 1:16am
	Does anyone else concur with that? Its got a shorter xmax, higher program power though
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	after a lot of help from forum i was pointed to the PD153er as a cheaper option then the beyma
	Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners.

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	Not cheap but there you go. 18sound 15NLW9300 18Sound 15MB1000 BMS 15N820 Edited by MarjanM - 05 December 2014 at 2:18am
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Requiem Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 20 January 2011 Location: Bristol Status: Offline Points: 1805	Post Options Post Reply Quote Requiem Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 December 2014 at 3:34am
	Cheers for your inputs. Would appreciate people opinions on the above drivers, Pro's/cons ect Are they suited so short horn type sealed enclosures? I beleive the kick section of the cab is similar to that of a HD15, but im no speaker builder, which is why i posted on here, the original build thread Edited by Requiem - 05 December 2014 at 3:34am
	www.requiem-soundsystem.com Custom Martin Audio WSX, USB & CSG Soundsystem based in Bristol

csg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 17 September 2007 Location: bedford Status: Offline Points: 6086	Post Options Post Reply Quote csg Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 December 2014 at 9:23am
	nice to see the old boxes what point are you bringing the 15" section in? 3 mid bass against 6 loony bins is always going to be a big ask... the bass section is not an HD15 and is tuned a little lower, it is much more similar to the old turbo TSE115 if anything. Personally i would stick with a good 3" coil driver, the B&C that Tony ASS likes could be a good bet, but ultimately if you want a lot of 120Hz, you probably want to go 1:1 with the subs.
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