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DANofCUS
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Posted: 18 March 2013 at 7:17am |
I wondered where to put this thread and decided that I've possibly ended up with tinnitus from standing by the big sound systems (reggae and dub) too close to often.
here's a link I quickly found about the hearing condition
how many people have been unfortunate enough to be with tinnitus ?
I've tried the ear plugs at dances but it just don't feel right , so I guess these days I prefer outdoors shows where it's easier to stand back from the sound and less pressure build up like it do in a room.
I hear some sound mans sets and the tops far too high and crackly not crisp coz they've affectively destroyed that frequency range in their ears from tinnitus and possibly other hearing damaging sound.
maybe my tinnitus has also come from some head injuries but I'm wondering anyone elses thoughts on the subject.
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Sheggy
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Search the forum - many threads on tinnitus.
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DANofCUS
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yeah I did actually think after posting maybe I should've done a forum search
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Dub Specialist
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amazing still something that we all love on here "music" man but at the same time deafening our-selfs...its crazy really...
who can still still hear 18k.........
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app
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I just had this weird tinnitus for an hour and then it just disappeared.
Good thing about it was that I started to think about my hearing ability and how important it is to take care of it. One more point of why louder is not necessarily better than quality. After Aba Shanti & Jah Tubbys session I was deaf for couple of days and that ish was creepy. I wonder how much louder the sound systems and the enviroment generally is than lets say 40years ago... One thing which is a debated subject is that low frequencies dont cause hearing loss since you dont hear em but feel it. I think its bs. Last weekend I was at a session where there were 6scoops and it felt nasty in the ears. At the same time its kinda cool to feel the music but in the long run it might not be worth sacrificing your ability to hear. I think it might be time to start using earplugs where ever the music is too loud. Which is kinda stupid but thats how it goes. Im going to work tonite in the club and I never use earplugs and after a days work my ears are ringing a bit,not good. I cant wear earplugs at work all the time cause I need to hear things,maybe I should get some hiquality earplugs. Anyway,take care of your ears all |
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csg
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your dead right - according to the medically qualified audiologist i see once in a while for an audiogram it is the lower frequencies that carry the most danger.
On one level it is common sense - hearing damage is caused by physical overloading of the structures within the ear, and it is the lower frequencies that carry the most amplitude and energy. The danger is impacted by the fact that your ears are less efficient at hearing lower frequencies, and despite the assistance of your diaphragm you don't get the reflex reaction to protect your ears from loud low frequency sources.
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“The fact is this is about identifying what we do best and finding more ways of doing less of it better”
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Sypa
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Think it works that way? I dont believe if it doesnt hurt it is making damage,but what the hell do i know. Tho i know one thing usually i run for cover from overdriven 2 inch compression drivers,they usually make my ears ring like hell.
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csg
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I don't think it works that way - it has been medically proven it works that way. Im not the expert here, its the doctors who know this.
The amplitude energy present in a 1-5KHz wave is orders of magnitude smaller than the energy present in a 40Hz wave at the same apparent SPL. Sure, the screech from a loud 2" driver will make anyone run for cover, but thats due to your ears being very sensitive in the range that the 2" is operating in, so loud SPL's will be unpleasant and your reflex reaction will kick in. The danger comes from the bass not generating the same defence reaction, and people doing stupid things like sticking their heads in the subs...combined with the huge energy present flattening those little hairs in your ear just like a hurricane flattening a forrest...
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“The fact is this is about identifying what we do best and finding more ways of doing less of it better”
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njw
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App and CSG are spot on regarding low frequencies, I used to be under the impression that it was the sound that hurts that was the problem (e.g. a big 2" comp being overdriven as mentioned) but it's definitely bass that does the damage, ever felt the insides of your ears actually resonating and vibrating when you're stood too close too a stack of subs? That's what does the damage. After just recently having no hearing in my right ear for a couple of weeks (except a nice ringing sound due to being a tinnitus sufferer myself) due to nothing more than a build up of wax I can quite honestly say that it would have put me in a very dark place if it had become permanent. As app said above; take care of your ears all . You've only got one set and they've got to last you all your life!!
edit; Also regarding upper mid frequencies hurting the ears, I was told this is something to do with a humans parental instincts as a baby crying is in this frequency range and who enjoys being in a room with a screaming baby? Edited by njw - 28 February 2015 at 8:46pm |
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njw
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Suprisingly, I still can! (just about!)
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Sypa
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Ok the bass makes most damage i get that but still think if it doesnt hurt you are good, personally i cant stand infront of lets say scoops playing full on too long if im not drunk as hell .Time of exposure also plays quite a role there i think . Do earplugs help to lower the sub spl too? I was always under the impression they just block out the higher freq,never used pro ones tho just the ones you get at festivals for free. How does that work considering the wavelengths and bass traveling easily through stuff?
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csg
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you are missing the point a little i fear - the point i was trying to make is that the damage threshold is potentially much lower than the onset of pain or discomfort with low frequencies. Naturally, damage is a function of dosage and SPL - so time is a critical factor. The onset of damage at the point where the bass becomes uncomfortable would likely be within a very short period of time.
Ear plugs will help attenuate bass, but they are more effective against higher frequencies. The custom moulded ones like ACS etc try and give a flatter response.
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“The fact is this is about identifying what we do best and finding more ways of doing less of it better”
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