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Originally posted by Adam_Iron_Horse Adam_Iron_Horse wrote:


He's just bought a distro so he can take advantage of this feed, but I had it in my mind we would have to try and distribute the power across the 3 phases. Should we be worried about this or would be ok to take a 32A feed for the amp rack and then lights off another phase.

(The hall really isn't large enough to warrant a 63A phase I wouldn't say only a 300 person limit)

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If you are on the national grid then don't worry too much about phase balancing, the only thing to watch out for is your neutral current. Due to the way we wire electrical systems the CSA of the wire for the neutral will only be the same CSA as a phase, yet due to harmonics the current you potentially could be putting down the neutral wire can, in certain situations, be higher than the current you are pulling from any one phase. This can lead to an overloaded neutral, and in old installations where you don't have a 4 pole breaker (or any over current breaker on the neutral) this can lead to problems. In your case as you will be drawing less than 32a per phase (depending on how much lighting you have, but certainly less than 32a on your feed for audio) from a 63a feed, the neutral will definitely be oversized enough not to worry about it.

Don't forget that if only one supply in a 300 people hall that lighting can very quickly fill that 63a supply, and want more. It's not just about the audio

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Originally posted by James Tengo James Tengo wrote:

Originally posted by Adam_Iron_Horse Adam_Iron_Horse wrote:


He's just bought a distro so he can take advantage of this feed, but I had it in my mind we would have to try and distribute the power across the 3 phases. Should we be worried about this or would be ok to take a 32A feed for the amp rack and then lights off another phase.

(The hall really isn't large enough to warrant a 63A phase I wouldn't say only a 300 person limit)

Cheers


If you are on the national grid then don't worry too much about phase balancing, the only thing to watch out for is your neutral current. Due to the way we wire electrical systems the CSA of the wire for the neutral will only be the same CSA as a phase, yet due to harmonics the current you potentially could be putting down the neutral wire can, in certain situations, be higher than the current you are pulling from any one phase. This can lead to an overloaded neutral, and in old installations where you don't have a 4 pole breaker (or any over current breaker on the neutral) this can lead to problems. In your case as you will be drawing less than 32a per phase (depending on how much lighting you have, but certainly less than 32a on your feed for audio) from a 63a feed, the neutral will definitely be oversized enough not to worry about it.

Don't forget that if only one supply in a 300 people hall that lighting can very quickly fill that 63a supply, and want more. It's not just about the audio

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Cheers mate, put my mind at rest about all that.

The promotion ain't huge and I don't think he has much in the way of lights but iv seen that hall lit with less than he has!
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Originally posted by James Tengo James Tengo wrote:

Originally posted by Adam_Iron_Horse Adam_Iron_Horse wrote:


He's just bought a distro so he can take advantage of this feed, but I had it in my mind we would have to try and distribute the power across the 3 phases. Should we be worried about this or would be ok to take a 32A feed for the amp rack and then lights off another phase.

(The hall really isn't large enough to warrant a 63A phase I wouldn't say only a 300 person limit)

Cheers


If you are on the national grid then don't worry too much about phase balancing, the only thing to watch out for is your neutral current. Due to the way we wire electrical systems the CSA of the wire for the neutral will only be the same CSA as a phase, yet due to harmonics the current you potentially could be putting down the neutral wire can, in certain situations, be higher than the current you are pulling from any one phase. This can lead to an overloaded neutral, and in old installations where you don't have a 4 pole breaker (or any over current breaker on the neutral) this can lead to problems. In your case as you will be drawing less than 32a per phase (depending on how much lighting you have, but certainly less than 32a on your feed for audio) from a 63a feed, the neutral will definitely be oversized enough not to worry about it.

Don't forget that if only one supply in a 300 people hall that lighting can very quickly fill that 63a supply, and want more. It's not just about the audio

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TBH, whilst theorectically possible, it can almost never happen.
 
I single phase mode current on phase equals current on N, end of, no debate.
 
Using 2 phases current on N should be less than the highest current on either phase, you would need a MASSIVE power factor issue to pull the current enough to get a substantial increase in I N above the Highest Phase current.
 
The horror stories of people buring up the neutral on 3PNE supplies usually involve an Avo rack and a 3Phase to single phase converter...
 
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Originally posted by discosucks discosucks wrote:

http://www.licht-produktiv.de/Showtec-Powersplit-1-CEE-16A

I'm looking for 32 amp 3 phase splitter to single phases . 

Hopefully something as cheap as that haha LOL


Here you go:

http://www.maaselectro.nl/MEOE1N.aspx?cat=0&pr=PVBH3F0B2&cp=0501010401

http://www.maaselectro.nl/MEOE1N.aspx?cat=0&pr=PVBH3F0B0&cp=0501010401

Not that cheap, but way cheaper than a 63A distro with 16A+32A outs at once.

I am planning to use one of these on the 32A three phase link through of a standard 32A distro that has only 16A one phase outs.


Edited by Ras Loud - 09 April 2013 at 3:47pm
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