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Cable tester and ten minutes will tell you all you need to know.
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Just re-reading this..

Are you sending the record signals from 2 x mono aux or 1 x stereo aux?

How are the original input ch's panned?

Are your auxes going to master bus as well?

I agree that it's probably a cable issue, just interested in the signal chain. I have had some odd recordings when using auxes not a matrix of l/r ..mainly down to how the aux is panned?

Best recording we've got off the Solar rig X Air 18 was off the headfone out! No auxes left so stereo jack to 2 x XLR into a Zoom. Solo L/R and adjust level.... DON'T solo anything else for the show. Sounded amazing played back in the studio !

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Each of the following are sent to a separate aux out into there own channel on the zoom

Left (panned left)
Right (panned right)
Mic 1 (no pan)
Mic 2 (no pan)
Mic 3 (no pan)
Crowd left (pan left)
Crowd right (pan right)

This is how we've always done it pretty much.

Only since we moved over onto the X32 have we started having these issues.

In ref to it being a cable, surely if it was a inverted cable it would effect the FOH, there's no problem with that or anything else

Just the recordings, so anything pre the desk is ruled out, or is that not the case ?
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Double check that the outputs to the zoom didn't have any phase switches pressed or delays on the outs.

As for a cable fault, check the cables that go from the Aux outs to the zoom.
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Hi mate, checked for the outs to the zoom and can't see anything hung that would reverse the phase, haven't checked the cables but the cables have been used for nigh on 2 years on our other desk before we had the X32 so can't see it being them...

We did some practice recordings last night...
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Test the cables. If you have an issue you know nothing until you test and eliminate it.
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Just to be clear, are you saying you have checked the phase switch is not armed or that you cannot find it on the Aux?

I have to agree with Toasty, assumption is the mother of all fuckups, test them even if you KNOW that they can't be faulty.

When you say that the playback is panned hard left and right, do you mean you are sending it to a stereo aux too? As the pans on the aux do not follow the pans on the channel.
If you have the input channels linked then you will have been sending both L AND R to each AUX which could be causing this
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nuclearbass Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 October 2016 at 1:39pm
Originally posted by toastyghost toastyghost wrote:

Test the cables. If you have an issue you know nothing until you test and eliminate it.

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Originally posted by nuclearbass nuclearbass wrote:

Each of the following are sent to a separate aux out into there own channel on the zoom

Left (panned left)
Right (panned right)
Mic 1 (no pan)
Mic 2 (no pan)
Mic 3 (no pan)
Crowd left (pan left)
Crowd right (pan right)

This is how we've always done it pretty much.

Only since we moved over onto the X32 have we started having these issues.

In ref to it being a cable, surely if it was a inverted cable it would effect the FOH, there's no problem with that or anything else

Just the recordings, so anything pre the desk is ruled out, or is that not the case ?

Are you taking a direct out of each channel ( post eq ) to an output independant of the aux via the in/out matrix? That way you get each channel straight off the head amp without any aux linking or pan?

Also check you haven't added inadvertently different delays to different auxes...that can get quite ..interesting !

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If they're phase or delay problems, Get your recording guy to fire it up in Tools and fix the problems in post!
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Originally posted by Phil B Phil B wrote:

Are you taking a direct out of each channel ( post eq ) to an output independant of the aux via the in/out matrix? That way you get each channel straight off the head amp without any aux linking or pan?


What you're describing would be a Direct Out that is tapped PRE EQ.... otherwise it isn't straight off the head amp.
AFAIW the X32 doesn't have any panning or linking of channels on its Direct Out tap, the only options you have are PRE or POST EQ (with or without mutes) and PRE or POST FADER (with or without mutes)

Edited by RoadRunnersDust - 31 October 2016 at 3:02pm
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nuclearbass Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 October 2016 at 9:58pm
It's direct out we need we don't need any panning or linking of channels

Not sure why he hasn't tried tht first TBH

Will give it a whirl Friday
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