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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote audiomik Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 December 2012 at 6:21pm
Your 70º phase is likely to be related to the high impedance peak questioned by charden.
Certainly it is not an 'expected' result for a well designed passive two-way crossover input where the VI phase shifts tend to cancel each other for the low and high pass sections.

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I'm not worried about the frequency response - it's +/- 2dB, which is OK. It's the electrical phase that bothers me - the black dotted line in the impedance curve. I'm  normally able to keep this within +/- 45 degrees, but there's so much equalization going on here, that I haven't been able to manage it.

It's the crossover producing the impedance peak. And yes, there's a zobel on the woofer (plus a third-order electrical filter and a parallel notch filter).
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Originally posted by audiomik audiomik wrote:


Certainly it is not an 'expected' result for a well designed passive two-way crossover input where the VI phase shifts tend to cancel each other for the low and high pass sections.

 I could have another go at the crossover, but I'm wondering how important this peak in the electrical phase actually is in practice.


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Equalisation networks in passive crossovers will cause impedance variations and phase shifts, absolutely nothing you can do about that.
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the peaks at the 5kHz upwards range are just resonances in the horn - in the compression driver, throat and mouth. The grille will only produce small ripples if a couple of dB or less and would probably be at a higher frequency.

As for the electrical phase - with a horn loaded CD, i would be surprised if you could hear any kind of phase shift in the HF.

The plots look fine. how does it sound?
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