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    Posted: 15 May 2018 at 8:53pm
My days of pounding it into the small and not quite so small hours have departed, as have my last pair of 1850 loaded bins.

I'm getting older and so is my back DeadDead

I have two pairs of Turbosund iX12's and 2 pairs of Wharfdale Titan 12's together with 2 pairs of active 15's which rarely leave my van.

One pair of the iX12's is left set up on wall mounts at a twice-weekly gig and the other pair is my regular go-to for hotel work; a pair of the Titans is at a local social club which gives me a lot of work and one of the remaining pair is not working - and nobody appears to want to repair it Confused

Most of my work nowadays is for relatively low numbers of people who don't need deep "commited" bass, although come June and July I have 12 (and counting) school proms coming up and they generally need a little more oomph.  I used combinations of the 12s and the 15s last year for the proms and the reception was generally great.

I'm looking to get a pair (maybe two pairs) of 12-inch bins of some kind - most likely something like the Tham 12 that I have read about in these forums, although I've yet to hear them.

AND, I have no idea what drivers I would put in them; I love reggae and I love funky house and play them whenever I get the opportunity, so preferably some kind of box/driver combination which would give me maximum pleasure on those genres

I have an iNuke 6000 (and EP1500 and 2500's) here and  a crossover, but the EP's really need to be got rid of since they're too heavy for my needs now.

SO.  Comments and recommendations please Smile   Take the P!$$ all that you want but this is how I make my living and although I loved playing the multi-kilowatt systems I simply don't need that now.


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Q12? Double q12 with neos?

Single q15 

Tham 12... i still love the idea of cookies set up. Wish i could go hear it in anger !


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Tham12 may disappoint for reggae.

2x12 reflex loaded with BMS 12s305 is a good option for going low and loud in a small enclosure. Won't come close to tapped horn efficiency of course, but they have huge excursion capacity and power handling for the price. 800w AES and 14.3mm effective xmax.  https://www.bluearan.co.uk/index.php?product=BMS_12S305_-_12_inch_Bass_Midrange_Speaker_800_W_8_Ohms&id=BMS12S305L

You could drive the whole of your NU6000 into a pair of doubles and get solid 35Hz performance in a fairly small box. Or 4 tiny single boxes.




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Does it have to be strivtly single 12"? Pfly has a 2x12" ppsl concept for bms drivers.

I've heard some bms loaded compact 15" reflex bins designed by pfly many times. Serious little subs that move a lot of air in a block of four. And they go low.

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Tham 12 does NOT disappoint for reggae 
see THIS page of my thread. Tham 12's are the BEST 12" box i have ever heard and owned. Period. If you are ever local to leicester i would be happy to demo
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I said 'may'! Depends what the expectations are. Indoors with a bit of judicious EQ and I'm sure they shine, but they're still -3dB at 50Hz in 2Pi, so while they'll hold their own against a pair of reflex bins (and even outperform some) in their operating range, they won't also have the headroom to EQ up the 40-50Hz region which definitely helps with reggae music.

4x THAM12 will offer the headroom necessary to EQ up that range, but a pair of doubles or 4x single compact reflex will play that range and below better than a pair of THAM's.
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Originally posted by Hemisphere Hemisphere wrote:

I said 'may'! Depends what the expectations are. Indoors with a bit of judicious EQ and I'm sure they shine, but they're still -3dB at 50Hz in 2Pi, so while they'll hold their own against a pair of reflex bins (and even outperform some) in their operating range, they won't also have the headroom to EQ up the 40-50Hz region which definitely helps with reggae music.

4x THAM12 will offer the headroom necessary to EQ up that range, but a pair of doubles or 4x single compact reflex will play that range and below better than a pair of THAM's.

1 THAM12 would be comparable to a double 12 reflex" in my experience. 
That being said though, I am yet to hear the witchcraft and wizardry from a Q12 or Q212.........



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I'm currently getting quoted for a pair of these which seem to be all the rage on the polish forums.

Even work nicely with cheap end drivers...

They look like scaled down B&C sub boxes.





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Originally posted by cookie-dj cookie-dj wrote:

Originally posted by Hemisphere Hemisphere wrote:

I said 'may'! Depends what the expectations are. Indoors with a bit of judicious EQ and I'm sure they shine, but they're still -3dB at 50Hz in 2Pi, so while they'll hold their own against a pair of reflex bins (and even outperform some) in their operating range, they won't also have the headroom to EQ up the 40-50Hz region which definitely helps with reggae music.

4x THAM12 will offer the headroom necessary to EQ up that range, but a pair of doubles or 4x single compact reflex will play that range and below better than a pair of THAM's.

Got to agree with Hemisphere on this, the Tham is a very lively box from 50 ish up but it does not go low, 12 inch reflex tuned to 35 will sound much better for reggaeand low sub music.
 

1 THAM12 would be comparable to a double 12 reflex" in my experience. 
That being said though, I am yet to hear the witchcraft and wizardry from a Q12 or Q212.........



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Originally posted by concept-10 concept-10 wrote:

Originally posted by cookie-dj cookie-dj wrote:

Originally posted by Hemisphere Hemisphere wrote:

I said 'may'! Depends what the expectations are. Indoors with a bit of judicious EQ and I'm sure they shine, but they're still -3dB at 50Hz in 2Pi, so while they'll hold their own against a pair of reflex bins (and even outperform some) in their operating range, they won't also have the headroom to EQ up the 40-50Hz region which definitely helps with reggae music.

4x THAM12 will offer the headroom necessary to EQ up that range, but a pair of doubles or 4x single compact reflex will play that range and below better than a pair of THAM's.

Got to agree with Hemisphere on this, the Tham is a very lively box from 50 ish up but it does not go low, 12 inch reflex tuned to 35 will sound much better for reggaeand low sub music.
 

1 THAM12 would be comparable to a double 12 reflex" in my experience. 
That being said though, I am yet to hear the witchcraft and wizardry from a Q12 or Q212.........

...slap a guitar distortion pedal between the dsp and the amp going to the 12 subs and you can pretend it's a scoop LOL
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Single 15" are easier to find good drivers for and don't necessarily need to be much bigger.  I've got a pair loaded with Beyma 15G400's which if I really wanted to I could probably lift above my head.  Not much more than 500mm cubes and produce a surprising amount of noise for the size.

Look up the old B&C Sub15 plan...
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I would be so scared to put reggae or current urban music through a 12" sub like a Tham 12 or something like that. 

I have to say I did watch Dj cookie's video and I'm very impressed,I just think a 15" would give me more peace of mind 

Surely a 15" is worth it, the box wouldn't be much bigger then the 12" version.
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