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Originally posted by cookie-dj cookie-dj wrote:

Tham 12 does NOT disappoint for reggae 
see THIS page of my thread. Tham 12's are the BEST 12" box i have ever heard and owned. Period. If you are ever local to leicester i would be happy to demo


Now THAT, specifically https://forum.speakerplans.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=92433&PID=1001705&title=the-beginning-of-bliss-soundsystem#1001705 is whatI'm after.

It's the sort of crowd that is my bread and butter, and most are younger than me as well Big smile

Skimming that thread I can see that SW CNC made the cabs for you, and that you have Oberton 700s in them; so SW should be my next port of call and Obertons shou;d be on my list.  I can't believe that just last year I sold 4 PD123ER in my EV SX200 cabs - I think thatthey may have been a solution as well.

I'm in Bristol so Leicester not reasonably feasible until I get up to Brum to see my daughter.
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Originally posted by Hemisphere Hemisphere wrote:

Tham12 may disappoint for reggae.

2x12 reflex loaded with BMS 12s305 is a good option for going low and loud in a small enclosure. Won't come close to tapped horn efficiency of course, but they have huge excursion capacity and power handling for the price. 800w AES and 14.3mm effective xmax.  https://www.bluearan.co.uk/index.php?product=BMS_12S305_-_12_inch_Bass_Midrange_Speaker_800_W_8_Ohms&id=BMS12S305L

You could drive the whole of your NU6000 into a pair of doubles and get solid 35Hz performance in a fairly small box. Or 4 tiny single boxes.

This the thing, I don't want/need mighty bass - it would probably frighten mostof my regular punters.

1x12 cabs are the limit, deffo 2 maybe 4, 15's I have and if the Tham 12 is as good as ppl say then they will go.
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Originally posted by JonB67 JonB67 wrote:

Q12? Double q12 with neos?


I don't know those cabs, and only a single 12 would be of interest.

Originally posted by JonB67 JonB67 wrote:

Single q15


Nope, not interested in 15's

Originally posted by JonB67 JonB67 wrote:

Tham 12... i still love the idea of cookies set up. Wish i could go hear it in anger !

You and me both, but I'm 80 miles away and most likely working on the same nights as CookieDJ.
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Originally posted by Hemisphere Hemisphere wrote:

Tham12 may disappoint for reggae.


Originally posted by Hemisphere Hemisphere wrote:

2x12 reflex loaded with BMS 12s305 is a good option for going low and loud in a small enclosure. Won't come close to tapped horn efficiency of course, but they have huge excursion capacity and power handling for the price. 800w AES and 14.3mm effective xmax.  https://www.bluearan.co.uk/index.php?product=BMS_12S305_-_12_inch_Bass_Midrange_Speaker_800_W_8_Ohms&id=BMS12S305L

You could drive the whole of your NU6000 into a pair of doubles and get solid 35Hz performance in a fairly small box. Or 4 tiny single boxes.


Doubles is not what I need or want.  Single 12's will be fine for my market and if I need extra I already have 15's
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Originally posted by bob4 bob4 wrote:

Does it have to be strivtly single 12"? Pfly has a 2x12" ppsl concept for bms drivers.

I've heard some bms loaded compact 15" reflex bins designed by pfly many times. Serious little subs that move a lot of air in a block of four. And they go low.


This is the thing.  I don't want to move a lot of air, and I already have 15's anyways.

A lot of the time I don't have masses of space in which to set up, and I put up a lot of lights as well when needed.
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This intrigued me so I’ve just done a very quick and drity frequency analysis using Audcity on some old classic reggae tracks, quite a few of them drop like a stone below 50Hz, however they tend to have a massive hump between about 50 and 110Hz. On several tracks that always appear to have a lot of low frequency content have actually got a fairly flat frequency trace from 60 to about 95 to 110hz, however they drop by about -6db at 50Hz, down 16db at 40hz and at 30Hz down 23db with respect to 60 to 95Hz band.  They also tend to drop by 15 to 20db above about 300hz.

The Bob Marley’s Jammin (as played by cookie-dj in the video in the other thread) and Ken Boothe’s Everything I own both fit this trend quite well, however Jammin doesn’t drop off above 300hz as much as some ( its only about 12db down when compared to the 60 to 90Hz range) and consequently doesn’t appear to go as low as the Ken Boothe track.

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Originally posted by ceharden ceharden wrote:

Single 15" are easier to find good drivers for and don't necessarily need to be much bigger.  I've got a pair loaded with Beyma 15G400's which if I really wanted to I could probably lift above my head.  Not much more than 500mm cubes and produce a surprising amount of noise for the size.

Look up the old B&C Sub15 plan...

I already have 15's, I mentioned them in the start of the thread.

And weight is very important to me since 4 my spina; vertebrae are compressing into each other and I have a permanent epidural in my back to keep the pain at bay.

I've been doing this for well over 50 years and large boxes have taken their toll.
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Originally posted by RiddimKid RiddimKid wrote:

I would be so scared to put reggae or current urban music through a 12" sub like a Tham 12 or something like that. 

I have to say I did watch Dj cookie's video and I'm very impressed,I just think a 15" would give me more peace of mind 

Surely a 15" is worth it, the box wouldn't be much bigger then the 12" version.

In an ideal world yes; but that's not the world that I play in. 

Space is frequently at a premium and so is setup and get out time.

The people that pay for my bread and butter are not with me to appreciate my wonderful mixing or the fantastic sound, they're there to socialise with each other - and my particularability is to get those people, people that didn't come to dance, up and dancing and enjoying the night more than they would have.

So I leave my 15's in the van - I did tell you that I have them in the first postat the start of this thread - even though they can pound it out, because that's not what I need most of the time.

It's manily for my satisfaction, and 1x12's will be adequate from what I see/hear of CookiDJ's Than 12's.
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Originally posted by APW APW wrote:

This intrigued me so I’ve just done a very quick and drity frequency analysis using Audcity on some old classic reggae tracks, quite a few of them drop like a stone below 50Hz, however they tend to have a massive hump between about 50 and 110Hz. On several tracks that always appear to have a lot of low frequency content have actually got a fairly flat frequency trace from 60 to about 95 to 110hz, however they drop by about -6db at 50Hz, down 16db at 40hz and at 30Hz down 23db with respect to 60 to 95Hz band.  They also tend to drop by 15 to 20db above about 300hz.

The Bob Marley’s Jammin (as played by cookie-dj in the video in the other thread) and Ken Boothe’s Everything I own both fit this trend quite well, however Jammin doesn’t drop off above 300hz as much as some ( its only about 12db down when compared to the 60 to 90Hz range) and consequently doesn’t appear to go as low as the Ken Boothe track.


Thanx for that APW.  One of my favourite lovers' trax is Winston Reedy's 'She's the One' and on my present system you can just hear the bottom line disappear occasionally.

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Really, check out the Q12  design: 14kg with a neo driver/18mm ply.
Truly a one hand lift.
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BJtheDJ, I also own 4 tham 12's, if your main work is similar to what is in Cookie's video you will be blown away by them!!
 
Below I've linked to a thread that has the kind of venue I have played at using a pair of tham12s, the thread also has a picture of my small rig.
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+1 one I-shen Soundboy.

The Q12 is a very impressive box

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