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    Posted: 21 June 2010 at 5:57pm
Hi

just finished building the first prototype of this project. it is 70cm deep 57cm*57cm mouth. driver faces back of the cab where there is an access hatch with a phase plug attached. horn path goes round 90 degree bend and then straight to the front. chamber for driver is in the middle of the box with vents entering horn path about 15cm from the mouth.

it was designed to cover 70Hz to 320Hz. sounds pretty good compared to double 15" vented cab. got similar output with ultradrive set 2-3db lower for the horn. as the horn was 8ohm and the vented box 4ohm this makes it 5-6dB more sensitive as predicted by hornresp. sounded a bit faster and more defined - was able to pick out some detail on basslines that was just a constant drone on the vented cab. tried some vocal stuff through it and it sounded no worse than the vented cab. cone excursion was at least half for the same output.

as I have recently lost my microphone, laptop and camera phone to thieving ***** can't give any accurate info at this stage - perhaps if anyone in Bristol is interested they might come and measure it and help me tune the ports for a few beers???

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Very interested to see this as I need something similar. I wasn't sure whether to port it to 70hz or use a longer standard FLH and aim for 80hz. My only worry was that the port might make integration with subs harder.

Did you do the driver cutout slightly smaller than the 15" or did you leave the edges of the cone exposed and get the compression from the phase plug?

sorry to hear about the robbing bastads!
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Here are some screenshots from HR







HR can't model it exactly as the port re-enters the horn 12cm inside the mouth. the path difference is accounted for but not the changed loading on the port. exporting to akabak this is easily adjusted for and shows the bass response going about 5Hz lower. using the directivity tool in HR shows the on axis response much smoother from 400Hz to 700Hz and pretty flat up to 1kHZ. akabak shows similar response up high.
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Originally posted by snowflake snowflake wrote:

Hi
it was designed to cover 70Hz to 320Hz. sounds pretty good compared to double 15" vented cab. got similar output with ultradrive set 2-3db lower for the horn. as the horn was 8ohm and the vented box 4ohm this makes it 5-6dB more sensitive as predicted by hornresp.
cheers
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5-6db more sensitive? now that's something strange. a difference of 1 or 2db is possible, but no way the actual horn will be 5-6db more efficient than the hornresp sim.
Will it be used to 320Hz? i think it should be possible (if you used a reversed dome shape phase plug on the top hatch at which the woofer faces) but would like to know how it sounds. Pretty interesting.Wink


Edited by Teunos - 25 September 2010 at 1:33pm
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"5-6db more sensitive?"
I mean that as one box was 4R and one 8R the 2-3 dB difference on the ultradrive was in reality a 5-6dB difference in 1W sensitivity between the two boxes - which agrees with the hornresp predictions.
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Originally posted by snowflake snowflake wrote:

"5-6db more sensitive?"
I mean that as one box was 4R and one 8R the 2-3 dB difference on the ultradrive was in reality a 5-6dB difference in 1W sensitivity between the two boxes - which agrees with the hornresp predictions.
Ok, Sorry, my badWink
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This is a photo from St Pauls carnvial. there are two unpainted boxes stacked in the middle. mirror man head is removable!
 
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EDIT WRONG THREAD SORRY!

Edited by Disco Stu - 01 October 2010 at 3:42pm
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Why did you vent that horn?
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Do you have any idea how much mouth area a 40hz horn requires?

Horns with less than optimum mouth area benefit from venting.
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We are talking about a 70Hz horn, I guess it's used as a "kick cab". Porting such a horn is nonsense IMO, only plausible if the subwoofer below that is a bandpas.

Besides, a long horn does not need to have much mouth area as the quarter wave resonance will give some output around 40-50Hz. When stacking them, the effect will wear off and make way for "real" horn output. Works well with my selfmade horns...
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Edited by _djk_ - 03 October 2010 at 10:10am
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