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junoprobelaunch
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Posted: 18 May 2020 at 3:31am |
Hello all
Lockdown seems to me the perfect time to redesign the sub section of my rig and come up with something completely new. I currently run a punisher rig and for the most part im pleased with it. However i recently purchased a pair of Void Stasy 8s for kickbass and now i find myself really wanting a sub that hits slightly lower than a standard 12'' punisher. I've toyed around with various design briefs and after finding the Ciare 15 SW i've decided i really want to make a box for it designed to hit 30hz as flat as possible whilst still retaining alot of the "SPL over low-end extenstion " and "fast moving small surface area over slow moving large surface area" approach to the original Punisher design. I am aware that there is a plan for a 15'' box that would fit this driver but to my knowledge it just a scaled up 12'' plan and what im seeking in asking this forum is advice, parameters and tips to redesign the horn as i believe simply just making it bigger is not the best approach to getting extra low end extenion from a punisher sounding & style box. It will be my first attempt at proper speaker design so am looking for any and alll pointers that will help me along the way and am re-familiarising myself with the Dinsdale Horns Guide alongisde writing this. Thanks in advance
Edited by junoprobelaunch - 18 May 2020 at 3:33am |
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citizensc
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Hi Juno
I'm still relatively new to horn design but I have learnt a few things. The first of which is; if you haven't learnt hornresp, do it! once you get past all the unfamiliar boxes with letters next to them, you will realise the basic concept is quite simple. Once you get to know it, you can try lots of different idea of horn shapes and driver combos quite quickly using the 'loudspeaker wizard'. Second a larger driver does not mean it will play lower in a horn although it may. The real limit is horn length. A rough gude is 1/4 of the wavelength you are trying to produce. So for 30hz, you will need a 2.9m horn at a minimum. This will be quite a sizable box. Third, I wouldn't settle on a driver just yet, have a play in horn resp with a bunch of different drivers. You will start to see how the different T/S parameters affect response. Forth, if you are making a different horn, for a different driver, you will have to start fresh with the horn path and chamber volumes. You might be able to copy the folding but simply scaling a horn path up may not work that well. lastly, you could try an extension on the end of the punishers you have. I have already designed such a thing but none have been built yet to my knowledge. https://forum.speakerplans.com/punisher-extension-development-thread_topic104537_page1.html Hope this helps
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studio45
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I reckon a 15 inch "Punisher", if correctly laid out, will end up about the same size as a SBH or Invader - and then what have you gained?
The Punisher folding is clever, but a PITA to assemble. Without CNC cut parts - V diff. (I've built 8 that way...) If you're into complicated woodwork, why not build the "I Can't Believe It's Not A Martin 215 mk 3"? The plans just came up on here the other day - and it will satisfy your goal of fast, efficient bass.
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junoprobelaunch
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Thank you citizen thats super helpful :) will get myself up to date with the progress from your thread thank you for that
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